[CR]Re: Women and Bikes (Sadiq Gill)

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Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 22:28:27 -0700 (PDT)
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Refined, eternally beautiful, and well-crafted, "old-world women": "List" bikes Fast, quick, sleek, nimble and shiny, "modern women": "KOF" bikes

Tom Jue San Francisco (many women), CA USA

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Women and Bikes (Sadiq Gill) 2. RE: Women and Bikes (robert st.cyr) 3. Re: Women and Bikes (Mark Fulton) 4. Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 65, Issue 56 (Andrew R Stewart) 5. Zunow - Thanks and More, Please (r cielec) 6. Re: The Best Italian Bike in Japan (EPL) 7. Re: Women and Bikes (Aldo Ross) 8. JC Higgins v. Ted Williams Sport Racing... (Harvey Sachs) 9. Nice japanese cycles (Richard Timm) 10. Re: Nice japanese cycles, "French" Nakajima (Kurt Sperry) 11. Re: Nice japanese cycles 12. RE: Zunow - Thanks and More, Please (Tom Forbes) 13. Re: Nice japanese cycles (Richard Timm) 14. Re: Women and Bikes (Dale Brown) 15. Women and Bikes (W PAUL PATZKOWSKY) 16. Removing a stuck left hand pedal in Williams chromed crank (Paul Williams) 17. Re: Removing a stuck left hand pedal in Williams chromed crank (John Betmanis)

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Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 15:15:19 -0400 From: "Sadiq Gill" To: "Markku Klubb" Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Women and Bikes Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References:

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without further adieu, classic bikes are always preferable to newer-----much narrower rear, fewer speeds, real as opposed to plastics, greater amount of adventuresome friction and little possibility of sudden and dramatic structural failure

On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Markku Klubb wrote:
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> My wife often tells people that when walking down the street I will check
> out a fine old bike and ignore a good looking woman nearby.
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> I am glad I found the CR list.
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> Markku
> Seattle, Wa USA
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-- Sadiq Gill Richmond, Virginia US&A Latitude: 37.58 Longitude: -77.51472

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Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 12:50:27 -0700 From: robert st.cyr To: Markku Klubb ,

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My wife has said that I can look as much as I want, just don't do anything about it. Now was she referring to the attractive women or the attractive b ikes...? Unfortunately for her my collection of OT bikes has grown to aroun d twenty five. Boy is she ever jealous...no wonder why I spend so much time in the dog house.Robert St.CyrSacramento, California USA> From: cykelturis t@hotmail.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 0 7:07:52 -0700> Subject: [CR]Women and Bikes> > > > My wife often tells peop le that when walking down the street I will check > out a fine old bike and ignore a good looking woman nearby.> > I am glad I found the CR list.> > M arkku> Seattle, Wa USA > > _______________________________________________> Classicrendezvous mailing list> Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> http://www .bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezvous _________________________________________________________________ E-mail for the greater good. Join the i’m Initiative from Microsoft. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ GreaterG ood

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Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 13:43:12 -0700 From: Mark Fulton To: Sadiq Gill Cc: Markku Klubb Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Women and Bikes Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References:

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Sandiq,

Don't try to change the subject. It was "Women and Bikes," not New Bikes and Old Bikes." Subtile sexual innuendoes aside, over time I've had two wives and have no plans to get another. I currently have 24 bikes and might get another as soon as... Oh what? This afternoon? And in answer to your obvious question, "No, I didn't leave either wife for another bicycle."

Mark Fulton Redwood City California USA

PS: Just to keep this thread on topic, I think six day bicycle racing was one of James Thurber's "Sex Substitutes" in his book, "Is Sex Necessary?"

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Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 17:22:49 -0400 From: "Andrew R Stewart" To: Subject: [CR]Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 65, Issue 56 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain;format=flowed;charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: Andrew R Stewart Message: 4

Marc- Good luck finding the Eclipse panniers with intact and able to hold a load plastic mounting sliders. While it was an innovative system it suffered from material ageing and resulting cracking of the plastic. In addition many users found the stitching that the plastic slider was attached to the nylon pannier back would abrade and come un done.

I sold Eclipse back in the late 1970's and still use their panniers (with conventional hooks) and the handle bar bags (mounted behind my seat post with self made SPT).

Andy Stewart Raleigh, NC, USA
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> Hello Listmembers,
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> My '80 Sachs tourer was specced with an Eclipse rear rack which accepts
> the Eclipse sliding panniers. Does anyone have a pair of these sliding
> panniers in excellent condition which they might entertain parting with? I
> believe they came in black or blue. I would be partial to those colors,
> but what do you have?
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> Regards,
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> Marc St. Martin
> Livermore, CA
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Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 14:51:34 -0700 (PDT) From: r cielec To: Classic Rendezvous Subject: [CR]Zunow - Thanks and More, Please Message-ID: <182182.20362.qm@web53603.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 5

Ahoy !

Thanks to the collective knowledge of the CR list for making me aware of the Zunow marque. The thread has been interesting and informative. May I ask please for more On List discussion of this marque ? Among my curiosities is how Zunow came to be - I never would have guessed "Zunow" a Japanese marque. Thank you. Richard Cielec Chicago, Illinois; U.S.A.

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Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 15:18:42 -0700 (PDT) From: EPL To: "classicrendezvous@bikelist.org" Subject: [CR]Re: The Best Italian Bike in Japan Message-ID: <851603.7836.qm@web50508.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 6

This one is my fave Italianate Japanese bike:

http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~uc6y-ssk/favorite_rr2005.html

Who here has a Nakajima?

Emanuel Lowi Montreal, Quebec

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Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 18:44:40 -0400 From: "Aldo Ross" To: Subject: Re: [CR]Women and Bikes Message-ID: <000a01c8b938$c73d0030$1e14fbd1@Newhouse> References:

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But, soft! What light through yonder bike shop window breaks? It is the east, and Gloria La Garibaldina Extra is the sun! Arise fair sun and kill the envious moon, Who is already sick and pale with grief That thou her cycle are more fair than she. Be not her cycle, since she is envious. Her vestal livery is but sick and green, And none but fools do wear it. Cast it off. It is my bike, oh, it is my love! Oh, that she knew she were! She speaks, yet she says nothing. What of that? Her chrome discourses, I will answer it. I am too bold, 'tis not to me she speaks. Two of the fairest stars in all the heaven, Having some business do entreat her lugs To twinkle on their tubes till they return. What if her lugs were there, they on her frame? The brightness of her chrome would shame those stars As daylight doth a lamp; her nickel plate in heaven Would through the airy region stream so bright That birds would sing and think it were not night. See how she leans her bars upon the wall! Oh that I might be a curtain upon that wall, That I might touch those bars!

Aldo Ross Middletown, Ohio, USA

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Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 19:03:55 -0400 From: Harvey Sachs To: Classic Rendezvous Subject: [CR]JC Higgins v. Ted Williams Sport Racing... Message-ID: <4830B5DB.2010507@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: hsachs@alumni.rice.edu Message: 8

There are 3 or 4 on this list who have a peculiar affliction: a fondness for the top end Sears bikes from Austria's Puch/Austro-Daimler. I have a '65 "TED WILLIAMS SPORT RACING" that I've thought is a replica of my first road bike. It has Campy record front and rear derailleurs, and the Weinmann 999 CP brakes with the name in an applique. Today, in a fit of curiosity, I went out to see another, and bought it. It is same style, same color, but with "J.C.HIGGINS" decals, that having been another Sears, Roebuck brand. This one differs in having Campag Gran Sport derailleurs, the earlier Weinmann brakes with "Vainquer 999" engraved on the outer arms, etc. It is clearly earlier, perhaps late '50s. Anyone have a sense when Weinmann changed the brake design?

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Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 01:13:02 +0200 From: "Richard Timm" To: "EPL" , Subject: [CR] Nice japanese cycles Message-ID: <000e01c8b93c$b88f1420$0201a8c0@Richard2> References: <851603.7836.qm@web50508.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: Richard Timm Message: 9

Hi Emanuel,
> This one is my fave Italianate Japanese bike:

As I like japanese cycles but do not like italian ones that much, I changed the subject.

Sheldon's article: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/japan.html

Some links to become on topic:

Nagasawa- works on order but you need a lot of money and you have to wait 2 years: http://www.yellowjersey.org/NAGASAWA.HTML

Toei: http://www.generalworks.com/toeisha/photogallery_eg.html

There is so much more out there... For low budget, there are really nice old Panasonics for example. Or the not rare and still well done Kuwaharas... (both off topic but KOF)

The japanese tradition in working with highest quaility steel lasts hundreds of years... :)

If one would like to buy a track frame, I would recommend to look for a Keirin.

best regards, Richard

Richard Timm. Hamburg, Germany

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Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 16:17:00 -0700 From: "Kurt Sperry" Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR] Nice japanese cycles, "French" Nakajima Message-ID: <75d04b480805181617g5bbf4c55re28306930a9626f3@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: haxixe@gmail.com Message: 10

http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~uc6y-ssk/favorite_rn.html

...and this decidely Gallic inspired Nakajima from the same site proves (in spite of the tricolore italiane on the seat tube) that Nakajima wasn't penned into the Italian idiom.

You'd have to look real, real hard in Italy to find a top-of-the-line bike like this one wearing fenders, a triple crankset or other such prosaica- retired racers perhaps aside.

Kurt Sperry Bellingham Washington USA ------------------------------

Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 20:03:37 EDT From: DTSHIFTER@aol.com To: richard@radbasteln.de, lowiemanuel@yahoo.ca, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR] Nice japanese cycles Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11

Richard Timm commented on some Japanese bicycles.....
> <<.....There is so much more out there... For low budget, there are really
> nice old
> Panasonics for example. Or the not rare and still well done Kuwaharas...
> (both off topic but KOF)>>
> I have a circa 1975 Kuwahara (so it is on topic) which is very nicely done with thinned lugs (head lugs are chromed) and as close to perfect mitering as I can tell. I hope to build it up this year (one of those much too long projects) and feel how it rides...

Best,

Chuck Brooks Malta, NY NE USA NA

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Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 19:25:01 -0500 From: Tom Forbes To: r cielec , Classic Rendezvous Subject: RE: [CR]Zunow - Thanks and More, Please Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <182182.20362.qm@web53603.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <182182.20362.qm@web53603.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 12

Hi all, I just noticed a picture on my bulletin board, out of a magazine gu essing 86-87 era. I don't remember the name, but they had a section called "Hot Tubes", showcasing small frame builders, hand crafted, etc. This one i s a Zunow "Lepton" model. More of a triathlon bike but like the TT euro bik es, 700 rear,650 front, long horn style bars. But the article says Teru Kag eyama is the man behind the marque, Zunow means "brain" in japanese, he and two others work in a small shop in Osaka and have been building bikes for 20 years. They put out about 600 a year, about 20% for export. The article explains the emphasis on road racing and triathlon allows more freedom with design, the steel tubes are custom shaped by Tange. This one is painted pr etty wild, lime green/yellow/red. Aero brake levers but still toe clips! So rt of on the border of KOF/on topic? Tom Forbes Houston,Texas. USA.
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Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 03:03:30 +0200 From: "Richard Timm" To: , ,

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Hello Chuck,
> I have a circa 1975 Kuwahara (so it is on topic)

Would like to see pictures of course :)

I had several 90ies Kuwaharas. They are completely offtopic as not old enough and not really lightweight. Loved them as they were a good base for setting up either a very good randonneur or a interesting speedbike for cross.

That these japanese frames does work well with Campagnolo parts can be shown here: http://www.radbasteln.de/kuwahara/3.1.jpg This is the cycle of a friend of course, as I'm not a fan of Campagnolo... :)

A cycle like that weights about 21 pounds but it is reliable and stable so... made from fine Ishiwata Exo tubes (quattruple butted), the sixtuble paint is handmade so every cycle has it's unique pattern. Tange headset and fork. Prepared for full randonneur equipment including low riders.

One like this will sell on ebay for about 100 $ for a complete bike in good condition, I guess. There are not much people out there that like the wonderfull paint job. Even this simple bike has a Kuwahara engraving at the seatstays and some of the parts- seat post, saddle, stem- were all marked Kuwahara. Original gruppo was a complete Shimano LX with Biopace.

best regards, Richard

Richard Timm Hamburg, Germany

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Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 21:01:20 -0400 From: Dale Brown To: aldoross4@siscom.net, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Women and Bikes Message-ID: <8CA8762FBDDA4BF-10EC-3285@webmail-de08.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <000a01c8b938$c73d0030$1e14fbd1@Newhouse> References: <000a01c8b938$c73d0030$1e14fbd1@Newhouse> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 14

Aldo penned: "But, soft! What light through yonder bike shop window breaks?....." etc.

Folks, you don't run across such discourse just anywhere! Bravo Aldo!

Dale Brown Greensboro, North Carolina USA

-----Original Message----- From: Aldo Ross To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Sent: Sun, 18 May 2008 6:44 pm Subject: Re: [CR]Women and Bikes

But, soft! What light through yonder bike shop window breaks? It is the east, and Gloria La Garibaldina Extra is the sun! Arise fair sun and kill the envious moon, Who is already sick and pale with grief That thou her cycle are more fair than she. Be not her cycle, since she is envious. Her vestal livery is but sick and green, And none but fools do wear it. Cast it off. It is my bike, oh, it is my love! Oh, that she knew she were! She speaks, yet she says nothing. What of that? Her chrome discourses, I will answer it. I am too bold, 'tis not to me she speaks. Two of the fairest stars in all the heaven, Having some business do entreat her lugs To twinkle on their tubes till they return. What if her lugs were there, they on her frame? The brightness of her chrome would shame those stars As daylight doth a lamp; her nickel plate in heaven Would through the airy region stream so bright That birds would sing and think it were not night. See how she leans her bars upon the wall! Oh that I might be a curtain upon that wall, That I might touch those bars! ?

Aldo Ross?

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Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 02:08:08 +0000 From: W PAUL PATZKOWSKY To: Subject: [CR]Women and Bikes Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 15

My wife says that I have to ride every bike that I own with some frequen cy, none of this once a year stuff, and to keep my hands on the bars and my eyes on the road. To buy a new bike I must sell a bike. Casual glances a re acceptable but no "elevator shots" and no female riding partners. Simpl e rules, easy to remember and it's so quiet at home. Kind of like Dale's rules. :-)

Paul Patzkowsky Longmont, Colorado USA

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Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 22:11:41 -0400 From: "Paul Williams" To: "Classic Rendezvous" Subject: [CR]Removing a stuck left hand pedal in Williams chromed crank Message-ID: <010f01c8b955$adaeec60$0300a8c0@ourlaptop> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 16

Any ideas for loosening a stuck rat-trap pedal froma left hand 1960s Williams chromed crank? Came that way! Want to use the cranks but the pedals are junk.

Paul B. Williams, BAH, MPhil, PhD Ottawa, Ontario, Canada castell5@sympatico.ca

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Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 22:49:46 -0400 From: John Betmanis To: "Classic Rendezvous" Subject: Re: [CR]Removing a stuck left hand pedal in Williams chromed crank Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20080518224946.013d7f40@mailhost.oxford.net> In-Reply-To: <010f01c8b955$adaeec60$0300a8c0@ourlaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 17

At 10:11 PM 18/05/2008 -0400, Paul Williams wrote:
>Any ideas for loosening a stuck rat-trap pedal froma left hand 1960s
>Williams chromed crank? Came that way! Want to use the cranks but the
>pedals are junk.

I assume you've tried a pedal wrench. These are usually longer-than-normal, thin, 9/16" wrenches, that require a sharp rap with a hammer to loosen the thread. If the pedal is junk, disassemble it from the spindle and clamp the spindle in a large bench vise and try turning the crank with a big pipe. If it doesn't want to budge and the crank might bend, heat and quench the spindle a couple of times to loosen the threads. (You know, of course, that the LH pedal gas a LH thread.)

John Betmanis Woodstock, Ontario Canada ------------------------------

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