Re: [CR]OLD DeRosa on Ebay #110253252979

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Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 08:36:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [CR]OLD DeRosa on Ebay #110253252979
To: Neil Bonnick <l4.flyer@gmail.com>, Dale Brown <oroboyz@aol.com>
In-Reply-To: <bb5259ab0805210656m707faa46q973f19e72a6d477d@mail.gmail.com>
cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

This reminds me of a question I've been meaning to ask the DeRosa experts. I see some DeRosas go for $2000+, yet I also see KOF lugged steel late 80's/early 90's DeRosas go pretty cheap on eBay, a few hundred dollars for a frame or complete bikes under $1,000.

So what is the the distinguishing difference between the valuable DeRosas and the not-so-valuable DeRosas? For Pogliaghi, I take it the bikes produced under Rossin, then Basso after Sante's death are much less valuable than the ones produced during Sante's lifetime, while with Cinellis, bikes produced after the company was sold to Columbo are worth much less than those produced before the sale.

The drop in value seems much less abrupt for Masi, where Alberto-built lugged steel examples seem to command a better price than a Basso-built Pog or a Columbo-built Cinelli. I assume this has to do with the frames being built by the son of the founder in the same shop used by his father.

So what about DeRosa? My understanding is that the company is still controlled by the family and Ugo's sons are still deeply involved in the framebuilding. So where is the dividing line between "real" DeRosas and less desirable modern ones?

Regards,

Jerry Moos Big Spring, Texas, USA

Neil Bonnick <l4.flyer@gmail.com> wrote: Marcus and Dale, This is an interesting topic on seat stay tops. As far as frame builders casting seat stay plugs into the seat tube / top tube lug - this technique has been practiced as early as the 1930's. I once owned a 1930's Bianchi frame, minus the paint. You could clearly see the brazed joint below the bullet shaped seat stay top and how it was part of the lug. The De Rosa frame in question is definitely from the 1970's. I have a 1973 De Rosa with the same features. Cheers Neil B. Seattle WA.

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> moving to cast plugs in the '80's. I know there are exceptions.
> Was DeRosa the first Italian builder to have seat stay plugs made with his
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> Hard to say who was the first to use engraved/stamped/embossed seat stay
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: marcus.e.helman@gm.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Sent: Tue, 20 May 2008 9:40 am
> Subject: [CR]OLD DeRosa on Ebay #110253252979
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> I think of Italian style seat stays as being fluted in the 1970's, then
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> Best regards,
> Marcus Helman
> Detroit, MI USA