Re: [CR]reply to stuck seatpost discussion

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From: "Andy Bohlmann" <encantadas@pcisys.net>
To: "Manfred Hegwer" <manfredhegwer@hotmail.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
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Subject: Re: [CR]reply to stuck seatpost discussion
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 08:43:13 -0600


I had the stuck seat post problem last year, too.

Get a 3' long monkey wrench and someone with big muscles! Of course, I lubed it with eveything first.

Andy Bohlmann Colorado Springs, CO

http://www.tourocolorado.com


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From: Manfred Hegwer
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 8:18 AM
Subject: [CR]reply to stuck seatpost discussion



>
> Heating the aluminum seat post may very well work but don't heat it to the
> point of trying to melt it. You can use a torch like the one a plumber wou
> ld use to sweat copper pipe. Heat the exposed aluminum post long enough to
> allow it to conduct the heat down into the seat tube. The different metal
> s have different rates of thermal expansion. This movement will often brea
> k the bond between the two metals. I recently used this method to remove a
> pedal stuck in a crank arm.> From: classicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org>
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> y's Topics:> > 1. Re: Bike Weight (John Betmanis)> 2. RE: What diameter sea
> tpin for Eisentraut A Model? (Earle Young)> 3. Shipping rims (David Bean)>
> 4. D'Alessandra/Woolistic ?? (Robert Clair)> 5. Re: Info about Dolmen bikes
> and my parts wanted (John Betmanis)> 6. Wanted to buy, Guerciotti frame
> or complete bike (Manfred Hegwer)> 7. RE: Shipping rims (R.S. Broderick)> 8
> . Semi-annual stuck seatpost thread (Jerome & Elizabeth Moos)> 9. RE: When
> shipping, what works for a cheap hub substitute?> (Raymond Dobbins)> 10.
> Re: Semi-annual stuck seatpost thread> 11. Changes in cockpit with introduc
> tion and changes in brifters> (Harry Travis)> 12. RE: Semi-annual stuck sea
> tpost thread (Scott L. Minneman)> 13. FS Viscount ( premium ) frame (Harry
> Travis)> 14. Re: Changes in cockpit with introduction and changes in brifte
> rs> (ternst)> >
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> -------------> > Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:06:03 -0400> From: John Betman
> is <johnb@oxford.net>> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR
> ]Bike Weight> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20080702200603.01455ae0@mailhost.oxford
> .net>> In-Reply-To: <8801bb250807021209s2d819148i7db9dba691cfd710@mail.gmai
> l.co> m>> References: <BAY103-W2682FE72CBFFC175569328909E0@phx.gbl>> <BAY10
> 3-W2682FE72CBFFC175569328909E0@phx.gbl>> Content-Type: text/plain; charse
> t="us-ascii"> MIME-Version: 1.0> Precedence: list> Message: 1> > At 01:09
> PM 02/07/2008 -0600, Mitch Harris wrote:> > >There were two cyclists the
> re on> >mid-level recent race bikes who were explaining how to choose a>
>b
> icycle to two motocyclists who were apparently curious.> >> >The racer cycl
> ist pointed to our bikes as we rode up, mine that day an> >early 70s Engl
> ish race bike, hers an early 80s Batavus Professional,> >and was saying
> loudly to the Harley riders:> >> >"Now look at these two bikes, they mig
> ht be as old as ten years ago> >and they weigh between 35 and 40 pounds whi
> ch was lightweight back> >then."> > Of course, the Harley riders were pro
> bably amazed that a bicycle could be> made as light as 35 or 40 pounds, s
> ince their beasts weigh about half a ton> and need a crane to get them upri
> ght again, should they topple over. (When> I was doing motocross back in
> the late 1960s, 200 pounds was a good weight> for a 250, 20 pounds less
> for a 250 trials bike. The concept of weight is a> whole different thing t
> o the Harley crowd; probably something like, the> greater the weight,
> the smoother the ride.> > Oh, and as fot the two cyclists on "mid-level
> recent race bikes", they were> probably not even a twinkle in their paren
> ts' eyes when we were riding 20> pound steel bikes.> > John Betmanis> Woods
> tock, Ontario> Canada> ------------------------------> > Date: Wed, 2 J
> ul 2008 19:18:51 -0500> From: "Earle Young" <earle.young@tds.net>> To: <cla
> ssicrendezvous@bikelist.org>> Subject: [CR]RE: What diameter seatpin for Ei
> sentraut A Model?> Message-ID: <001901c8dca2$60470960$0200a8c0@pcearle>> Re
> ferences: <MONKEYFOODHdXcQw8qB00001f83@monkeyfood.nt.phred.org>> Content-Ty
> pe: text/plain;format=flowed;charset="iso-8859-1";> reply-type=
> original> MIME-Version: 1.0> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit> Precedence: l
> ist> Message: 2> > Ben S. said (in part) > Eisentraut was known to often mi
> x tubing gauges in > his frames, so there isn't likely a "standard" seatp
> ost> > size.> >> Early editions of Sutherland's Handbook for Bicycle Mechan
> ics used to devote > a whole page to just this:> > "One measurement is wort
> h a thousand expert opinions."> > Enough said.> > Earle Young,> Madison
> , Wisc.> Offering expert wheelbuilding service for classic and modern bik
> es.> http://www.earleyoung.com > > ------------------------------> > Date: Wed,
> 2 Jul 2008 19:48:27 -0400> From: "David Bean" <beandk@rcn.com>> To: "CR Lis
> t (E-mail)" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>> Subject: [CR]Shipping rims> M
> essage-ID: <000201c8dc9e$205c6a10$6d7ba8c0@dkbwin2k>> Content-Type: text/pl
> ain;charset="iso-8859-1"> MIME-Version: 1.0> Content-Transfer-Encoding:
> 7bit> Precedence: list> Reply-To: beandk@rcn.com> Message: 3> > I received
> a pair of rims alone simply wrapped together in paper then in> plastic tap
> e. They were sent priority mail. I wonder if the oddity of the> annular pac
> kage led to more careful handling. It seems likely they'd wind> up on top o
> f any heap.> > The most recent ebay wheels I got were nicely packed in a la
> rge rectangular> box. Inside were cardboard spacers to separate them from e
> ach other and> from all 6 sides of the box. The corrugations of the cardboa
> rd spacers ran> parallel to the axles. It was quite light and seemed like i
> t had a lot of> room to suffer abuse and not pass it on to the wheels.> > D
> avid Bean> Arlington, MA USA> beandk at are-see-enn dot com> > ----------
> --------------------> > Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 19:47:09 -0500> From: "Robe
> rt Clair" <r.clair@cox.net>> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>> Cc: pica
> bo58@earthlink.net> Subject: [CR]D'Alessandra/Woolistic ??> Message-ID: <00
> bc01c8dca6$53144ba0$0202a8c0@Leo>> References: <952857.40367.qm@web44907.ma
> il.sp1.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain;format=flowed;charset="
> iso-8859-1";> reply-type=original> MIME-Version: 1.0> Content-Transfer-
> Encoding: 7bit> Precedence: list> Message: 4> > was going to the proverbial
> "back closet" to find something different to > wear to the gym tomorrow ..
> . and we found this thing, still with the > original tags.> > it's a top
> , a merino, and on the back in heavy stitching is:> > FREDRIKSHOF> > th
> anks alex (i think) this looks like a keeper ! any idea what we found > her
> e.> > robert clair> alexandria, va 22308> usa > > -----------------------
> -------> > Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:57:22 -0400> From: John Betmanis <jo
> hnb@oxford.net>> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Info
> about Dolmen bikes and my parts wanted> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.2008070220572
> 2.01455ae0@mailhost.oxford.net>> In-Reply-To: <486B0A00.9040308@gmail.com>>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> MIME-Version: 1.0> Prece
> dence: list> Message: 5> > I have a 1960s Jeunet track bike with those exac
> t same lugs and crank set,> but the seatstays don't wrap around like that
> .> http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/Oldyellr/jeunet/> > I'd say it was F
> rench, for sure.> > At 09:54 PM 01/07/2008 -0700, erik wrote:> >I acqui
> red a 50?s lugged touring bike, a Dolmen, and so far I have found > >no
> info about it.> >> >It is equipped with CLB 700 brakes and levers, Kipri
> m steel stem / bar, > >Nervar single ring 3 arm cottered cranks, Simple
> x LJ shifter, Lefol > >fenders, Ideale saddle, Radios #16 light, et
> c.> >> >Photos here:> >http://photobucket.com/dolmen> >> >Let me know if yo
> u have any info / ideas about this bike.> > > John Betmanis> Woodstock, O
> ntario> Canada> ------------------------------> > Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 2
> 0:41:36 -0500> From: Manfred Hegwer <manfredhegwer@hotmail.com>> To: <class
> icrendezvous@bikelist.org>> Subject: [CR]Wanted to buy, Guerciotti frame
> or complete bike> Message-ID: <BAY102-W21F594AEE3212C2F176BC3B2980@phx.gbl>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"> MIME-Version: 1.0>
> Precedence: list> Message: 6> > > I'm searching for a 1980-1983 Guerciotti
> 57 or 58 cm Columbus SL frame or c> omplete bike. Condition of paint/finish
> is unimportant as this is a restor> ation project. I'm not interested in a
> bent or crash damaged examples. I> 'm also interested in "near pristine ri
> der" examples of the above. I'm bra> nd new to the list and beg your pardon
> if this posting is not in keeping wi> th the list rules. Also, I would l
> ike to post a profile as the instructi> ons of the list encourage but it is
> unclear to me how I do this. Any help > is greatly appreciated.> > Thanks
> ,> > Manfred Hegwer> Lincolnshire, IL> manfredhegwer@hotmail.com> _____
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> 1:12:31 -0500> From: "R.S. Broderick" <rsb000@hotmail.com>> To: <classicren
> dezvous@bikelist.org>> Cc: beandk@rcn.com> Subject: RE: [CR]Shipping rims>
> Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV9527861E14CAEFA9F6E129C980@phx.gbl>> Message-ID: <00
> 8f01c8dcb2$4038e8e0$6401a8c0@MEDIFACTOR7>> In-Reply-To: <000201c8dc9e$205c6
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> ME-Version: 1.0> Precedence: list> Reply-To: rsb000@hotmail.com> Message: 7
> > > David,> > Funny that you should mention this as several years back I
> received in > the> mail from a rather well known establishment in England a
> pair of NOS > vintage> MAVIC Bleu SSC rims packaged just as you described.
> This unnamed > merchant> had covered a single rim in thin bubble wrap and
> then used a larger > version> of bubble wrap along with some clear tape to
> secure the second rim to > the> first, thereby effectively entombing both
> in the process. Quite frankly > I> was stunned to see the pair arrive as t
> hey did looking every bit like > what> one might snidely consider to be a C
> .P.S.C. compliant version of the> hula-hoop. But after freeing them from th
> eir nominal plastic bondage I> placed them individually on a large flat met
> al surface and followed that > up> with a quick roll out check so as to con
> firm the fact that, yes indeed> folks, they had survived their trans-At
> lantic journey in absolutely > perfect> stead.> > Still, I prefer to use
> rim specific packaging boxes secured from my LBS> (...I have a standing req
> uest for them to hold back good examples for me > to> collect - hey, they
> make perfect storage containers for your as yet to > be> built spare rims
> too) with each rim wrapped individually in a light > layer of> foam - and I
> have never once had a problem in shipping using this> methodology.> > Robe
> rt "whoda thunk?" Broderick> ..the "Frozen Flatlands" of South Dakota> Siou
> x Falls, USA> > > -----Original Message-----> From: classicrendezvous-bou
> nces@bikelist.org> [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behal
> f Of David Bean> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 6:48 PM> To: CR List (E
> -mail)> Subject: [CR]Shipping rims> > I received a pair of rims alone simpl
> y wrapped together in paper then in> plastic tape. They were sent priority
> mail. I wonder if the oddity of > the> annular package led to more careful
> handling. It seems likely they'd > wind> up on top of any heap.> > The most
> recent ebay wheels I got were nicely packed in a large > rectangular> box.
> Inside were cardboard spacers to separate them from each other and> from a
> ll 6 sides of the box. The corrugations of the cardboard spacers > ran> par
> allel to the axles. It was quite light and seemed like it had a lot > of> r
> oom to suffer abuse and not pass it on to the wheels.> > David Bean> Arling
> ton, MA USA> beandk at are-see-enn dot com> > ___________________________
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> ----------------------------> > Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 19:47:45 -0700 (PDT
> )> From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>> To: classicrend
> ezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Semi-annual stuck seatpost thread> Messag
> e-ID: <74672.36621.qm@web82204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>> In-Reply-To: <952857.40
> 367.qm@web44907.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=
> iso-8859-1> MIME-Version: 1.0> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit> Precedence:
> list> Message: 8> > OK, time for the semi annual stuck seatpost thread.>
> > Received a 70's Trusty-era Viscount today. The setpost is stuck, which
> had caused the seller to remove the saddle but leave the seatpost exposed
> , which punched a hole in the box. The saddle is a nasty cheap steel and
> rubber Messinger and the post is a cheap aluminum straight post, so I don
> t care if I destroy both of them getting the post out. Reinstalled the sadd
> le to use as lever to try to move the post, no luck so far.> > So any new
> magic formulas besides Coca-Cola, Ammonia, Kroil? I could cut off the
> post at the seat clamp, but that might just make it harder to get the rem
> aining part out. Does the fact the straight post is aluminum, and therefo
> re soft, make it any easier to get it out? Any new suggestions or reposts
> of old ones?> > Good news, I guess, is I only pait $86 for this, alt
> hough the shipping was almost as much. And it has a good set of wheels, T
> itlist deraillers and shifters and Viscount bars, stem, pedals and brak
> es, which probably is worth the $86, but the frame could be an interest
> ing rider if I can get the damn post out.> > Regards,> > Jerry Moos> Big
> Spring, Texas, USA> > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME
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> > ---> ------------------------------> > Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 19:56:50 -
> 0700 (PDT)> From: Raymond Dobbins <raydobbins2003@yahoo.com>> To: dcwilson3
> @yahoo.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org,> shop@cyclart.com> Subject:
> RE: [CR]When shipping, what works for a cheap hub substitute?> Message-I
> D: <830989.355.qm@web63411.mail.re1.yahoo.com>> In-Reply-To: <DAECJCGMAPNDN
> DBOEMIKKEEPGPAA.shop@cyclart.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=is
> o-8859-1> MIME-Version: 1.0> Precedence: list> Reply-To: raydobbins2003@yah
> oo.com> Message: 9> > Greg, many years ago I received a frame back from y
> ou guys with one of th> e wood blocks you mention. It is the best way to p
> revent dropout and r/d> hanger damage that I have ever seen. Of course I u
> sed it to ship a fram> e many years ago and I no longer have it. Could you
> please post a photo > of it?> > Ray Dobbins> Miami FL USA> > --- On Wed
> , 7/2/08, CyclArt Shop <shop@cyclart.com> wrote:> > From: CyclArt Shop
> <shop@cyclart.com>> Subject: RE: [CR]When shipping, what works for a chea
> p hub substitute?> To: dcwilson3@yahoo.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.or
> g> Date: Wednesday, July 2, 2008, 4:58 PM> > Don,> > An old large-f
> lange hub works very well. A bolt and nuts are ok for> preserving the axle
> spacing, but they don't protect the derailleur hanger> from being bent th
> e way a large-flange hub will. A hard enough hit can also> close the axle s
> lots slightly, even with an axle substitute in place.> > The best alterna
> tive is a cut piece of 2x2 lumber. We cut part of each end> off so that the
> center of the block equals the axle spacing width. We leave> about a half-
> inch ear on each end that is the thickness of the axle slot.> When inserted
> into the dropouts, the ears fill the entire dropout slot, and> the blo
> ck hangs down to protect the entire derailleur hanger.> > Pictures:> http:/
> /www.cyclart.com/photos/block1.jpg> http://www.cyclart.com/photos/block2.jp
> g> http://www.cyclart.com/photos/block3.jpg> > Greg Reiche> CyclArt> Vista
> , CA USA> > -----Original Message-----> From: classicrendezvous-bounces@b
> ikelist.org> [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org]On Behalf Of Do
> n Wilson> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 11:07 AM> To: classicrendezvou
> s@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]When shipping, what works for a cheap hub su
> bstitute?> > > Recent emails about shipping damage indicate you want a hub
> or a hub> substitute between the forks and rear stays to reduce shipping da
> mage. I> don't want to tear down any wheels. Just buy long bolts with some
> nuts at> the hardware store? If so, what diameter and length of bolt work
> s best?> > Don Wilson> Los Olivos, CA USA> > D.C. Wilson dcwilson3@yahoo.
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> Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 23:20:48 -0400> From: cwstudio@aol.com> To: jerrym
> oos@sbcglobal.net, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Semi-
> annual stuck seatpost thread> Message-ID: <8CAAAD2EB962909-12A0-4360@WEBMAI
> L-MC08.sysops.aol.com>> In-Reply-To: <74672.36621.qm@web82204.mail.mud.yaho
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> recedence: list> Message: 10> > > I'm currently dealing with the same probl
> em. I've gone through the various l> ubricants and the Kroil stage, and a
> m finally considering simply cutting the> post off then cutting it internal
> ly in two places, the length of the post, > to remove it in pieces.Â
> > > > > > > A framebuilder friend has suggested using a torch with enough h
> eat to melt t> he aluminum post, since it will melt before the steel fram
> e. Seems like a ra> dical solution. I have some reservations about it, es
> pecially since that hea> t will be near the very nice seat tube cluster and
> might weaken the brazed j> oint.> > > > > > If there's a better method,
> I'd really love to hear of it.> > > > > Chris Wimpey> > San Diego, Califo
> rnia> > USA> > > > > > > > > Â > > > -----Original Message-----> From: Je
> rome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>> To: classicrendezvous@bike
> list.org> Sent: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 7:47 pm> Subject: [CR]Semi-annual stuck s
> eatpost thread> > > > > > > > > OK, time for the semi annual stuck seatpo
> st thread.> > Received a 70's Trusty-era Viscount today. The setpost is stu
> ck, which ha> d > caused the seller to remove the saddle but leave the se
> atpost exposed, which> > punched a hole in the box. The saddle is a nasty
> cheap steel and rubber > Messinger and the post is a cheap aluminum straig
> ht post, so I dont care if > I > destroy both of them getting the post ou
> t. Reinstalled the saddle to use as> > lever to try to move the post, no
> luck so far.> > So any new magic formulas besides Coca-Cola, Ammonia, K
> roil? I could cut > off > the post at the seat clamp, but that might just
> make it harder to get the > remaining part out. Does the fact the straight
> post is aluminum, and theref> ore > soft, make it any easier to get it
> out? Any new suggestions or reposts of o> ld > ones?> > Good news, I gue
> ss, is I only pait $86 for this, although the shipping was> > almost as
> much. And it has a good set of wheels, Titlist deraillers and > shifters
> and Viscount bars, stem, pedals and brakes, which probably is worth>
> the > $86, but the frame could be an interesting rider if I can get the
> damn post > out.> > Regards,> > Jerry Moos> Big Spring, Texas, USA> >
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> --------------------------> > Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 00:09:49 -0400> From:
> "Harry Travis" <travis.harry@gmail.com>> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.or
> g> Subject: [CR]Changes in cockpit with introduction and changes in brifter
> s> Message-ID: <58dbc8400807022109t356e4967w3da70ea016bc57@mail.gmail.com>>
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> nt-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit> Precedence: list> Message: 11> > This seems a g
> roup with enough bikes, including some that are OT, that this> question
> can be best answered here.> > I have the impression that OT brifters, Sh
> imano especially, stretch the> rider out if the bars had the same reach t
> hey used to, long ago,or if those> mostly ugly stems for threadless hea
> dsets were as long as gracefull quill> stems used to commonly be (120-130mm
> )> > Am I mistaken in this, having just grown older and less flexible,
> or was> there a change? I'm interested, not just for the history, but b
> ecause I> don't recall seeing advice on fitting which would acknowledge and
> compensate> for the change.> > Harry Travis> Washington, DC> USA> > > --
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> > Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 21:41:40 -0700> From: "Scott L. Minneman" <minne
> man@onomy.com>> To: <cwstudio@aol.com>,> "'Rendezvous Classic'" <classicr
> endezvous@bikelist.org>> Subject: RE: [CR]Semi-annual stuck seatpost thread
> > Message-ID: <000c01c8dcc7$45e88c90$c601000a@H10N7>> In-Reply-To: <8CAAAD2
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> > > I would tend to say that you shouldn't let your framebuilder friend nea
> r> your bikes...a silver-brazed frame will come apart right around the> tem
> perature where the aluminum melts, and many steel alloys don't much > lik
> e> to spend much time around/above the aluminum melting point (753 being >
> the> classic example).> > Melting the aluminum out is *not* a wise approach
> to dealing with a > stuck> seatpost, unless I'm missing something.> > Sc
> ott Minneman> San Francisco, CA - USA> > -----Original Message-----> > Fr
> om: cwstudio@aol.com [mailto:cwstudio@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 02
> , 2008 8:21 PM> To: jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net; classicrendezvous@bikelist
> .org> Subject: Re: [CR]Semi-annual stuck seatpost thread> > > I'm currently
> dealing with the same problem. I've gone through the > various l> ubricant
> s and the Kroil stage, and am finally considering simply cutting > the> p
> ost off then cutting it internally in two places, the length of the > pos
> t,> to remove it in pieces. > > > > > > A framebuilder friend has suggest
> ed using a torch with enough heat to > melt t> he aluminum post, since it
> will melt before the steel frame. Seems like > a ra> dical solution. I hav
> e some reservations about it, especially since that > hea> t will be near
> the very nice seat tube cluster and might weaken the > brazed j> oint.> >
> > > > > If there's a better method, I'd really love to hear of it.> > > >
> > Chris Wimpey> > San Diego, California> > USA> > > > > > > > > > > > -
> ----Original Message-----> From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglob
> al.net>> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Sent: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 7:47 p
> m> Subject: [CR]Semi-annual stuck seatpost thread> > > > > > > > > OK, ti
> me for the semi annual stuck seatpost thread.> > Received a 70's Trusty-era
> Viscount today. The setpost is stuck, > which ha> d > caused the seller
> to remove the saddle but leave the seatpost exposed, > which> > punched a
> hole in the box. The saddle is a nasty cheap steel and rubber > > Messinge
> r and the post is a cheap aluminum straight post, so I dont care > if > I
> > destroy both of them getting the post out. Reinstalled the saddle to > u
> se as> > lever to try to move the post, no luck so far.> > So any new mag
> ic formulas besides Coca-Cola, Ammonia, Kroil? I could > cut > off > th
> e post at the seat clamp, but that might just make it harder to get > the
> > remaining part out. Does the fact the straight post is aluminum, and >
> theref> ore > soft, make it any easier to get it out? Any new suggestion
> s or reposts > of o> ld > ones?> > Good news, I guess, is I only pait $
> 86 for this, although the shipping > was> > almost as much. And it has a
> good set of wheels, Titlist deraillers and > > shifters and Viscount bars
> , stem, pedals and brakes, which probably is > worth> the > $86, bu
> t the frame could be an interesting rider if I can get the damn > post > ou
> t.> > Regards,> > Jerry Moos> Big Spring, Texas, USA> > > > > > > ---
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> ous> > ------------------------------> > Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 01:10:09 -
> 0400> From: "Harry Travis" <travis.harry@gmail.com>> To: Classicrendezvous@
> bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]FS Viscount ( premium ) frame> Message-ID: <58db
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> ng: 7bit> Precedence: list> Message: 13> > 49cm x 52cm c-c. with tange chro
> me fork. Includes bb, headset, stem,> handlebars, Lambert brake lev
> ers, and Dia-Comp helper levers.> > Studying the Visount catalog from the
> day, posted somewhere online, I> believe this was their premium frame
> of 3, to judge from the components,> including Titlist rear der/mech,
> Ideal saddle, and tubular wheels. (Sale> includes only the parts in the
> first sentence, above) IIRC, a review can> also be found on line. The b
> ike compared favorably to the hi-tech jet> fighter in the background, but
> I'm not sure whether I am recalling the> advert or the review.)> > Paint i
> s mostly good without being burdensomely thick and heavy, the decals> in
> head badge position, and on the seat tube very good. To judge from the> c
> ondition of the tires and Lambert crankset (not included) this bike was> st
> andard basement or garage ware, ie ridden <500 miles before being put> aw
> ay.> > You may find a reference to this group's most trusted Hillary Stone
> , for> some ideas on rebuilding here.> > http://bikecult.com/works/parts/
> bbViscount.html> > $70 + shipping.> > This Viscount does NOT suffer the stu
> ck post that Jerry Moos' Viscount has.> (Hm, is it the bike or the owner
> who suffers the stuck post?)> > Harry Travis> Washington, DC> USA> > > --
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> > Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 23:10:24 -0700> From: "ternst" <ternst1@cox.net>
> > To: "Harry Travis" <travis.harry@gmail.com>,> <Classicrendezvous@bikeli
> st.org>> Subject: Re: [CR]Changes in cockpit with introduction and changes
> in brifters> Message-ID: <000e01c8dcd3$7b2ce890$0200a8c0@D8XCLL51>> Referen
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> : list> Message: 14> > You've answered your own Q., Harry.> Hold the two
> levers next to one another and you noitice about a cm. + maybe > 1/2" longe
> r body section to accomodate the mechanism inside.> So, it changes bar,
> lever/handle, and stem relationship completely.> Guys like myself who ha
> ve worked with fitting riders noticed this from the > very beginning and ha
> d to compensate accordingly.> The anatomic bars along with various forward
> throw bars have helped > alleviate some of the difficulties encountered at
> first .> Ted Ernst> Palos Verdes Estates> CA USA> > ----- Original Message
> ----- > From: "Harry Travis" <travis.harry@gmail.com>> To: <Classicrendezvo
> us@bikelist.org>> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 9:09 PM> Subject: [CR]
> Changes in cockpit with introduction and changes in brifters> > > > This se
> ems a group with enough bikes, including some that are OT, that > > thi
> s> > question can be best answered here.> >> > I have the impression that O
> T brifters, Shimano especially, stretch the> > rider out if the bars ha
> d the same reach they used to, long ago,or if > > those> > mostly ugly
> stems for threadless headsets were as long as gracefull quill> > stems used
> to commonly be (120-130mm)> >> > Am I mistaken in this, having just grow
> n older and less flexible, or was> > there a change? I'm interested, no
> t just for the history, but because I> > don't recall seeing advice on fi
> tting which would acknowledge and > > compensate> > for the change.> >> > H
> arry Travis> > Washington, DC> > USA> >> >> > --- StripMime Report -- pro
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