RE: [CR]Is the real or imposter?

(Example: Framebuilding:Restoration)

Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:11:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: "dave martinez" <dmart84815@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [CR]Is the real or imposter?
To: Jan Heine <heine94@earthlink.net>
In-Reply-To: <a06230928c4d603675274@[192.168.1.33]>
cc: CR List <ClassicRendezvous@bikelist.org>

Hello Jan,

My family and I once again had the opportunity to visit Italy this summer. This time, while staying in Milan I was able to visit Alberto Masi at the V igorelli. I have wanted to make this journey for over 30 years. What made t his visit extraordinary for me was the fact that my Italian friend was arra nging a personal meeting with Alberto. Milan and all of Italy was in the mi dst of a heat wave, it was hot and smoggy and I was jetlagged. I left my wi fe and my 12 and 14 year old exhausted boys in our air conditioned hote l and caught a cab to the Vigorelli. Upon arriving at the Vigorelli, I was greeted by my friend Mimmo and wa sho wn around the shop. Alberto was assemblying a contemporary OT Masi. Alberto was very friendly and accomodating and brought out various Masi frames and complete bikes from years past. With my friend acting as an interpretuer, I asked about the relationship between Cino Cinelli and Faliero Masi. I was told that there was mutual respect and admiration between the two. At that point Alberto rushed to a back room and brought out a prototype seat clust er lug that his father had developed. The cluster is virtually indenical to the Cinelli seat cluster. I was told that it was developed before Cinellis , and Alberto gave the cluster to Cinelli..... and as they say the rest is history. So, there is some cross pollenisation that takes place and no good idea goe s uncopied.  

Regards,
David Martinez
Fremont Ca
USA


--- On Sat, 8/23/08, Jan Heine wrote:


From: Jan Heine <heine94@earthlink.net> Subject: RE: [CR]Is the real or imposter? To: "Robert D. Dayton,Jr." <rdayton@carolina.rr.com>, classicrendezvous@bik elist.org Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 11:20 AM

At 9:32 AM -0400 8/23/08, Robert D. Dayton,Jr. wrote:
>Others have assured me privately it is.
>So if I offended Ken I apologize.
>I did not mean to question his integrity.
>The bike and build are truly unique.
>
>Rob Dayton
>Charlotte,NC
>USA
>

To those who privately assured Rob that the De Rosa is genuine:

Since others might want to learn more about 1950s De Rosas, please lay out the reasoning for all of us. In fact, some of us might even want to bid on the bike, so it is in everybody's (including KD's) interest to discuss this bike onlist.

I do not think there is anything wrong with Rob wondering about a bike as unusual as this... no matter who is the seller. The bike certainly has a number of features that resemble a 1960s Cinelli. (Hold your flames, I am not saying that it is a 1960s Cinelli!)

Jan Heine
Editor
Bicycle Quarterly
140 Lakeside Ave #C
Seattle WA 98122
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