RE: [CR]Eddie's Convincible

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 08:13:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: "John Barry" <usazorro@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [CR]Eddie's Convincible
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
In-Reply-To: <BLU113-W79B003220E54ECA7A6710F5570@phx.gbl>


Here, here. I'm eager to read what Peter discovers.

Many people will be disappointed if Eddie doesn't ring that to Cirque next year.

Cheers,

John Barry
Mechanicsburg, PA, USA


--- On Wed, 9/10/08, devotion finesse wrote:


> From: devotion finesse <devotion_finesse@hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: [CR]Eddie's Convincible
> To: "Peter Brown" <peterg.brown@ntlworld.com>, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 10:18 AM
> Peter,
> Please keep us posted with any developments! The meeting
> of former employe
> es sounds like a GREAT idea and I am sure I am not alone in
> my interest in
> what this rendezvous might uncover. "Connecting the
> dots" is a big part of
> what makes this hobby so much fun for me...Looking forward
> to hearing more
> about the roots of this special machine!
>
> Matthew Bowne
> Brooklyn, New York
>
> > From: peterg.brown@ntlworld.com
> > To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:03:05 +0100
> > Subject: [CR]Eddie's Convincible
> >
> > Since Eddie first contacted me almost a month ago to
> ask about the
> > Convincible I have followed his quest to buy it with
> great interest.
> > When
> > the restoration of mine (the one on Classic
> Lightweights UK) was
> > complete I
> > took it back to where it was built at Barton to show
> it to two gentlemen
>
> > who
> > previously worked at the Hopper factory, one as a
> frame erector as they
>
> > were
> > called then, and the other in the toolroom where all
> the bottom bracket
> > parts were made; apparently they never managed to put
> them into mass
> > production. It was those gentlemen who told us that
> they thought that
> > no
> > more than six were made, and until Eddie's find we
> all believed that to
>
> > be
> > the case. However, there was other evidence which
> seemed to contradict
>
> > that
> > which now seems relevant. In the Hopper Company
> account ledgers lodged
> > in
> > the North East Lincolnshire Council Archives there is
> reference to the
> > purchase of 2,000 convincible transfers at a total
> cost of five pounds
>
> > ten
> > shillings. In the 1956 stock take, made after
> Convincible production
> > ceased, there were 1,900 still in stock, which seems
> to indicate th
> at up
> > to
> > 50 were made. The frame number of mine was 002, but
> we know the histor
> y
> > of
> > that one and it was given to a track rider contracted
> to Hoppers to
> > test.
> > He didn't like it but never returned it. The
> frame number of Eddie's
> > machine is C41. That number does not follow Hoppers
> normal numbering
> > sequence, and I suspect that refers to Convincible No.
> 41. While the
> > bottom
> > bracket of Eddie's has the same purpose of keeping
> perfect chain
> > alignment
> > the method of achieving the movement was obviously
> developed from my
> > early
> > machine by making use of a Cyclo type return spring
> rather than the
> > early
> > twin cable arrangement.
> >
> >
> >
> > Two more former toolmakers have now been contacted in
> Barton and we plan
>
> > to
> > get all four of the former employees together at the
> museum where mine
> > is
> > now displayed, and armed with the photographs of
> Eddie's machine we
> > shall
> > see if there are more memories to be prompted.
> >
> >
> >
> > The speculation about how the name Elswick Vampire
> Convincible came
> > about
> > can only be added to by the name of the other badged
> version, the Hoppe
> r
> > Avenger Convincible. There is obviously more to be
> learned in the
> > coming
> > weeks.
> >
> >
> >
> > Peter Brown, Lincolnshire, England
> >
> >
> >
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