[CR]Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 69, Issue 48

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From: "Jon Spangler" <hudsonspangler@earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:48:19 -0700
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
cc: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [CR]Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 69, Issue 48

Jerry,

What is the link to Bob Hufford's site? The archives I looked up did not have his current email address or URL.

Thanks,

Jon Spangler back in Alameda, California USA

On Sep 16, 2008, at 7:40 PM, classicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org wrote:
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> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:22:05 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org, stephen <sbryne@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [CR]For sale: 1971 Schwinn Super Sport
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> The Super Sport was actually third in the line in 1971 behind the
> Paramount
> the newly introduced Sports Tourer. Or maybe the reintroduced
> Sports To
> urer. Browsing the specs on Bob Hufford's wonderful Schwinn site,
> which
> begins with 1960, the Superior was second to Paramount in 1960-1963
> (and ma
> ybe for some time before 1960), then was replaced by the Super
> Sport in 196
> 4. The Super Sport was second to Paramount from 1964 through 1970,
> until
> the Sports Tourer appeared in 1971, bumping the Super Sport to
> third place
> . EXCEPT, in one year only, 1968, Bob lists a fillet-brazed "S/S
> Tourer" wi
> th alloy cotterless cranks, which was the main distinction between
> the Spor
> ts Tourer and the Super Sport. Perhaps S/S Tourer is short for
> Super Spo
> rt Tourer, but it is not clear if the S/S Tourer should be
> considered just
> a variation of the Super Sport, or as the first Sports Tourer, a
> model whic
> h would skip two years before reappearing in 1971. I note that Mike
> Rother's widely read article on fillet-brazed Schwinns on the late
> lamente
> d Sheldon Brown's website does not list the S/S Tourer in the
> fillet brazed
> timeline, so perhaps he considered it just a variation of the
> Super Sport.
>
> The Super Sport would stay in third place behind the Sports Tourer
> in 1972,
> then they were both bumped down a notch by the lugged Japanese
> World Voyag
> eur in 1973, a bike that is pretty famous considering it was made
> only one
> year.
>
> According to Bob's specs, the Super Sport disappeared after 1973,
> but the S
> ports Tourer continued through 1976 in third place behind Paramount
> and the
> Voyageur II, basically the World Voyageur with sightly less
> expensive comp
> onents. Then for 1977 the Sports Tourer was replaced by the last
> of the
> fillet brazed Schwinns, the Superior, a name last used in 1963.
> This las
> t fillet brazed Superior lasted only two years, 1977 and 1978, in
> third pla
> ce behind the Paramount and the lugged, full 531 DB, Japanese-made
> Volare,
> a bike which itself was only made in 1977 and 1978.
>
> There are some discrepencies between Bob Hufford's and Mike
> Routher's timel
> ines, as Mike shows the Sports Tourer as "Not Listed" in 1974,
> while Bob ha
> s full specs and prices for the 1974 Sports Tourer. Also, Mike
> shows the
> Sports Tourer being replaced by the Superior in 1976 rather than
> 1977.
> I tend to go with Bob's data, since Mike's timeline is only that,
> while Bob
> has spec and pricing details on each Schwinn model, usually with
> catalogs,
> sales brochures and dealer spec sheets as well.
>
> The names Super Sport, Sports Tourer, and Superior were all
> recycled in lat
> er years for lugged steel and TIG'ed aluminum models, some pretty
> interesti
> ng, many not. But I think most classic Schwinn fans think of the
> fillet
> brazed bikes as the "true" examples of these models.
>
> I own one example each of those three fillet brazed models, and
> consider th
> em all, including the Super Sport similar to the one Stephen is
> offering he
> re to be very nice bikes, although certainly not superlightweight.
> For s
> everal decades you had trouble giving away a used fillet brazed
> Schwinn, as
> they were not at all in fashion. But lately I've noticed renewed in
> terest in them, probably in considerable part due to discussion of
> them h
> ere. And they have begun to command some pretty respectable prices on
> eBay.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
> Big Spring, Texas, USA