Re: [CR]Anglo-Italian Track-Pista frame telai

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Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 08:16:04 -0400
From: "Edward Albert" <ealbert01@gmail.com>
To: norris.lockley@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [CR]Anglo-Italian Track-Pista frame telai
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cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

Norris, I believe the bike may be neither Anglo nor Italian but Swiss. Comparing the lugs, position of the serial #, the way the stays are connected to the rear drop outs, the seat stay connection to the seat lug, the fork crown, etc leads me to think it is a just post war Sieber. Although there are a few differences from my own in large part they are the same. Usually Sieber stamped made in Swiss in the BB but I do not know if this was always the case. Also, they seem to have varied as to threading...sometime using Italian sometimes Swiss, sometimes French...not surprising given their proximity to all. See my Sieber at http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/Edward+Albert/album258/

Regards, Edward Albert Chappaqua, New York, U.S.A. On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 6:47 AM, Norris Lockley <norris.lockley@yahoo.com>wrote:
> I think the title of the email says it all !
> I need to some help, please, to identfy a track frame that has been hangi
> ng purposelessly from a nail in my workshop. So I am offering List members
> the chance to put their coffee-breaks to a good cause today.
>
> As I recall this frame was my first ever purchase on Ebay some seven yea
> rs ago..and I think that I bought it from a CR List member.
>
> When looking at the Ebay photos I arrogantly assumed that the frame was a 1
> 930/40s english, but on receiving the parcel, slitting it open and pulling
> out the frame track-ends upwards and first I realised that I had an enig
> ma on my hands.
>
> The front end of the frame and its lugwork shout English!, but the track-en
> ds, the seat lug and the numbering style proclaim Italian !.
>
> The frame needs refinishing but shows traces of a matt chrome or nickel pla
> ting under the tacky paintwork. There are even signs of it having had a fro
> nt derailleur mounted...
>
> It is extremely light..and beautifully contructed...and possibly rare. I ha
> ve never seen anything like it before. I know quite a lot about English fra
> mes, their styles, their builders, but have never really got involved in th
> e Italian scene although I have quite a number of Italian frames and bik
> es in my collection.
>
> So I am hoping to appeal to the cognoscenti among you...
>
> The pictures can be found in my Flickr store :-
>
> http://www.flickr.com.photos/cyclecrank should take you to the store
> and all the photos of this and other frames and bikes, but a more direct li
> nk to this particular set is:-
> http:// http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclecrank/sets/72157607354392606
>
> Come on guys..give an old man some help while he still has the legs to twid
> dle a fixed gear.
>
> Norris Lockley..Settle UK=0A=0A=0A