Re: [CR]crank/bottom bracket/spindle woes.

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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:56:29 -0700 (PDT)
To: fred_rednor@yahoo.com, classic rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Subject: Re: [CR]crank/bottom bracket/spindle woes.
From: "Kim Carney" <kjcarney@ucdavis.edu>

Jeff,

I had a chainring that touched the stay slightly. I asked Sheldon (just before he passed) for some advice and he said to place a Sturmey Archer sprocket spacing washer between the cup and the bottom bracket shell. Worked like a charm. You can purchase the washer at Harris Cyclery for $2.50.

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/sturmey-archer-parts.html

Kim Carney Davis, CA USA
> Jeff,
> To add a bit of extra info...
> There are no Campagnolo spindles that use the JIS taper. All are ISO or
> old style Campagnolo taper. There are pretty much the same, although (and
> I base this in my own measurements) one might say that the older Campagnolo
> spindles are on the "fat" end of the production variation allowed by the
> ISO.
> Many old Campagnolo crank arms have had their mounting areas stretched
> through the years. So, by the time a Campagnolo crank is 40 years old, a
> JIS spindle is a better fit than an actual Campagnolo spindle. This is
> one reason that Phil Wood spindles, which "split the difference", seem to
> work so well with older Campagnolo cranks.
> By my measurements, TA spindles also split the difference between ISO
> and JIS, so one of those can also work well with an old Campagnolo
> crankset whose mounting hole has been stretched.
> Finally, George mentioned Greg Parker's Web site. It has some truly
> useful information on this topic. Also, if you do this search, you will
> find dialogues between Greg, me and others on this subject. You will see
> where we agree, where we agree to disagree, and where we disagree even
> while we are in agreement:
>
> http://search.bikelist.org/?SearchString=BB%20OR%20bracket&SearchPrefix=@msgsubject&MsgFrom=gpvb1@comcast.net&SortBy=MsgDate%5Bd%5D&Scope=classicrendezvous
>
> Fred Rednor - Arlignton, Virginai (USA)
>
> --- On Tue, 9/23/08, George Allen <jgallen@lexairinc.com> wrote:
>
> > Jeff,
> >
> > Try this link at Greg Parker's Bicycle Classics:
> >
> > http://00eda5d.netsolhost.com/bottom.html
> >
> > Scroll to the bottom of the page and you may find what
> > you're looking
> > for. Now if I can just figure out what I need on my 1974
> > Cinelli. Thick
> > rifled cups? No, the thin ones? But are they rifled. It may
> > be best just
> > to ask or buy from someone that knows.
> >
> > George Allen
> > Lexington, Kentucky
> > USA
> >
> >
> > jeffrey piwonka wrote:
> >
> > >i know this has been covered and i did a little
> > searching of the archives and couldn't find much.
> > >
> > >where is the link that lists the different campy
> > spindles, the lengths and all that fun stuff?
> > >
> > >why am i asking?
> > >I have some record cranks that are in fine shape
> > (double), (i think they have a "2" in a circle
> > which means '82 model).
> > >i have rifled cups with a "68-SS" spindle,
> > it's asymmetric, chainline is fine, barely have
> > clearance at the right chainstay.
> > >this is the reason, the cranks will almost slide all
> > the way down the taper on the spindle.
> > >i was thinking oh well someone just overtightened these
> > cranks and i have some really nice looking cranks i
> > can't use now.
> > >
> > >after this ordeal last night i'm wondering about
> > campy spindles...
> > >i have another set of cranks, 151bcd, i mated them to a
> > 68-P-120 spindle that was in a track frame i got.
> > >they too, were sliding very far onto the taper so much
> > that i took the left arm off thinking it was trash...i found
> > a few lone arms to try.
> > >the crank arm bolt actually doesn't fit that
> > spindle well either so i replaced the BB with some different
> > cups and a "68-SPc" spindle i had around just to
> > see if it worked out.
> > >
> > >here is the weird part. the old cranks that were not
> > fitting too well on the "68-P-120" spindle fit the
> > "68-SPc" spindle great.
> > >
> > >Is the "68-SPc" spindle JIS taper???
> > >Now I'm wondering if there is another spindle I can
> > get for the '82 Record cranks (double) that I have that
> > are not working well with the "68-SS" spindle.
> > >
> > >so who knows of the link?
> > >was it branford bike or campy only?
> > >me and campyonly aren't compatible because i
> > can't ever find the info i need on that site and i know
> > it's there...
> > >
> > >Jeff Piwonka