[CR]Lmbert Update and questions

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 13:42:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
In-Reply-To: <603169.14908.qm@web82208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Subject: [CR]Lmbert Update and questions


I've been gathering Lambert bits, both on the list and on eBay, to restore my early lugged Viking-badged Lambert to as near original as possible.  I have two questions:

First, did Lambert stems come in different sizes?  I think I've now accum ulated three or four Lambert/Viscount stems, and they are all 90mm.

Second, having acquired a couple of Lambert RD's I see they are different t han I thought.  I had remembered them being a clone of a Huret Svelto,  but I find the parallelogram, while a very flat one, almost in a single pl ane, like Huret Svelto or Jubilee, is also not in a plane perpenticular to the plane of the FW cogs, but angled to the plane of the cogs such that the  jockey wheels move down as they swing in, maintaining a more constan t distance from the FW.  This was the idea at the heart of the SunTour Sl ant Parallelogram, although the Lambert bears no other resemblance to most SunTour RDs.  I thought I remembered hearing that Lambert was sued over t his RD, and I assumed it was Huret that sued them.  Was it SunTour instea d?  I seem to remember that in the 60's or very early 70's there was a Su ntour RD that resembled a Huret Svelto.  I believe it was called the Skee ter.  Did the Skeeter in fact incorporate the Slant Parallelogram design principle, such that it was actually the Skeeter that Lambert copied?

Regards,

Jerry Moos Big Spring, Texas, USA

--- On Fri, 9/26/08, Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net> wrot e:

From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: WAS [CR]Cinelli 1-R woes - NOW ifference Bewteen 1-R and XA To: biankita@comcast.net, tom_s_dalton@yahoo.com Cc: "Classic Rendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Date: Friday, September 26, 2008, 3:07 PM

As I said earlier, I've been blissfully ignorant of the 1-R problems, as I

usually ride an 80mm or shorter stem, whereas 1-R, it seems, was 90 or mayb e 95 minimum.

So what then was the difference between 1-R and XA?  Someone got a side-b y-side photo?  I suspect I have a few of each, removed from bikes because they were too long.  I also have an 85mm, which I guess must be an XA, s ince it was said the 1-R did not come that short.

Regards

Jerry Moos
Big Spring, Texas, USA


--- On Fri, 9/26/08, Tom Dalton wrote:


From: Tom Dalton <tom_s_dalton@yahoo.com> Subject: [CR]Cinelli 1-R woes To: biankita@comcast.net Cc: "Classic Rendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Date: Friday, September 26, 2008, 11:19 AM

I'm no defeatist, but 1-R stems are nothing like SR posts, other than that

both can slip.  As I said in my lengthy post, 1-R's rely completely o n a compatible, undamaged knurling on the associated Cinelli handlebar.   There may be fixes that allow the system to work with a damaged bar  (such damage might not even be considered damage under normal condit ions, like if you use a 1-A) but the no-fuss, or least fuss, method calls f or just using a fresh bar and NEVER letting it slip.  If you test your ba rs and they do slip, they will likely never be tight again in that stem, un less you glue/rivet/screw etc them into place.  I like 1-Rs, but their ob vious failing is that they are totally reliant on impractically good cond ition on the bar's knurling.  They should be viewed as analogous to a mod ern Campy post that has discrete angular positions and relies on the teeth

of the post head and lower bracket, rather than the 1-bolt SR post that was infinitely adjustable and relies on a frictional coupling between a smooth head and bracket.

They can be made to work, but not not in that works-with-everything-under-a ll-conditions way that CR types seem to relish.  From a philosophical sta ndpoint, they have one foot in the modern era.  Bars slip, buy new bars,

what's the problem?  Know what I mean?

Tom Dalton
Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, USA