Re: [CR]Making sense of old British prices

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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 19:46:32 -0800
From: "Peter Craig Martin" <petercraigmartin@gmail.com>
To: "Classic Rendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Subject: Re: [CR]Making sense of old British prices
In-Reply-To: <8801bb250811271035v7506dbc2jf9d4346e133c3fd8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <372402834.20081127131354@rogers.com>


British readers: Corrections, additions, and color commentary are welcome!

Prior to decimalization, prestige items (or prestige-wannabe items!) were often priced in guineas rather than pounds. These included professional services, auctions, land, and livestock. I don't know whether guineas were ever used to price any cycling-related items; if so, it's useful to know what a guinea was:

1 pound (£1) = 20 shillings (20s) = 240 pence (240d)

1 guinea (1g or 1gn) = 1 pound, 1 shilling (£1 1s) = 21 shillings (21s) = 252 pence (252d)

In short, the guinea incorporates a 5% "markup" from the pound. (By the way, the plural abbreviation for guineas is gs or gns, as in 2gs or 2gns.)
>From what I've read, a small number of items (such as horse-racing purses) continue to be priced in guineas, which are now equivalent to £1.05. I can't find any other examples, so British readers will have to let the rest of us know.

Note: From late 1967 until it was allowed to float in the early 70s, the British pound was pegged at US$2.40. Since there were 240 pence in a pound, a British penny was formally worth the same as an American penny. This makes off-the-cuff price assessments for that period a little easier: just convert the £sd price to pence, add a decimal point, and you have the dollars-and-cents equivalent.

For lots more information and fun trivia, see:

£sd - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C2%A3sd

Pound sterling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound_sterling

NationMaster - Encyclopedia: British coinage http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/British-coinage

British Money - British Culture, Customs and Traditions http://www.learnenglish.de/culture/britishmoney.htm

English weights and measures: Money http://home.clara.net/brianp/money.html

Copywriting: That will be 25 guineas http://copywriting.typepad.co.uk/copywriting/2008/08/that-will-be-25.html

Happy Thanksgiving to my fellow Yanks, and happy Thursday to everyone else.

Peter Craig Martin Seattle, Washington, USA

On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 10:35, Mitch Harris <mitch.harris@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shilling
> To save British listers the un-necessary flash back, here's an aswer:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shilling
>
> " 1/6d as 1 shilling and sixpence (often pronounced "one and six")"
>
> "In the United Kingdom, a shilling was a coin used from the reign of
> Henry VII[citation needed] until decimalisation in 1971. Before
> decimalisation, there were twenty shillings to the pound and twelve
> pence to the shilling, and thus 240 pence to the pound."
>
> 20s per pound would sugget that a shilling was roughly worth 5 pence
> today, but that won't seem right when you compare what a shilling used
> to buy to what 5 pence buys today. That's partly because the pound
> fell a lot in value from the late70s/early 80s on. Before that a
> pound was worth about two and a half bucks and so a shilling was more
> like a quarter in value. And back then in the US a quarter would
> still buy you something.
>
> Mitch Harris
> Little Rock Canyon, Utah, USA
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Dmitry Yaitskov <dima@rogers.com> wrote :
> > Hi,
> >
> > In a British catalog from 1950-ies I see prices such as "16/-" or
> > "13/6" or "17/11". Could some kind soul explain to me what do those
> > numbers mean? Thanks.
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> > Dmitry Yaitskov,
> > Toronto, Canada.