Re: [CR]Real or Fake Panto?


Example: Component Manufacturers:Cinelli

Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:25:12 -0800
From: "Kurt Sperry" <haxixe@gmail.com>
To: "Mark Buswell" <mark@sisuhome.com>
Subject: Re: [CR]Real or Fake Panto?
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I've wondered the same about some of the panto items I've seen on Ebay. The thing is, look at the prices most of these cited items got. Most couldn't possibly cover the cost of both the part and the expense of pantographing them. Why make "tribute" pieces if there's no apparent potential profit?

Kurt Sperry Bellingham, Washington USA

2008/12/17 Mark Buswell <mark@sisuhome.com>
> Ive thought the same thing about ebay seller "radmatrose". Something doesnt
> quite look right and he has lots of quantities. Can anyone confirm or deny?
>
> Mark buswell
> Sf, ca, usa
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Dec 17, 2008, at 11:59, "accobra" <accobra@peoplepc.com> wrote:
>
> I recently bought a 1970's Colnago and I'd like to dress it up with a few
>> early panto items. The following eBay seller has a neat stem but the size
>> of the "Colnago" writing on the side is somewhat larger than what I'm used
>> to seeing for this vintage. Then I got to looking at his other auctions and
>> it seems he has an unusually high number of panto items.
>>
>> Below are some links to some of his current & sold items in the last month
>> or two. There are so many and in styles I've never seen that I'm concerned
>> that the pantos have been added recently. I would rather be wrong about all
>> this because I like some of it. But I don't want to pay real money for
>> something that's been recently created to look old & original.
>>
>> Here's the Colnago stem I have an interest in:
>> http://tinyurl.com/3troqz
>>
>> He had another one just like it a week or two ago:
>> http://tinyurl.com/52rdjt
>>
>> How about handlebars with this Colnago logo engraved on them?
>> http://tinyurl.com/4fkzfn
>>
>> Campy Super Record Colnago rear derailleur?
>> http://tinyurl.com/4qrcqx
>>
>> Bianchi chainring that looks like this?
>> http://tinyurl.com/4mh9et
>>
>> Colnago shift levers. He's sold several pairs of these. The flat
>> surfaces look much fresher than the rest of the shifter:
>> http://tinyurl.com/3emfoh
>>
>> Old Campy pedals with panto & newer signature?
>> http://tinyurl.com/3suw5t
>>
>> Would DeRosa do it this way?
>> http://tinyurl.com/54nl82
>>
>> More DeRosa. Pedals:
>> http://tinyurl.com/4sfprs
>>
>> Same picture, different auction for Colnago shifters. Is he manufacturing
>> these...?
>> http://tinyurl.com/4jth6k
>>
>> Another very odd style Colnago panto item. Shift levers:
>> http://tinyurl.com/3h6eup
>>
>> I've never seen a Masi seatpost look like this:
>> http://tinyurl.com/3nasuy
>>
>> There's more but you get the point. Thoughts & comments? Should I bet
>> the farm or run the other way?
>>
>> Mark Winkelman
>> Dallas, Texas USA