Re: [CR] Real or Fake Panto?


Example: Framebuilders:Norman Taylor

From: "K.R. Bennett" <kerriganbennett@comcast.net>
To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Subject: Re: [CR] Real or Fake Panto?
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 02:25:25 +0000


Chris,

I'm not sure I get it. If you are familiar with casanova9898 as a reliable seller, you must notice that he has access to an amazing (and let's hope nearly inexhaustable) supply of extremely desirable on-topic goods. But somehow you don't trust his Colnago items? In this case, I think you'd have to admit that his "lots of quantities" are hardly suspicious -- shoot, he's got large quantities of many things more scarce than Colnago-pantographed bits and pieces, and as far as I know the authenticity of those items is not in question. I think I'd give him the benefit of the doubt.

Kerrigan Bennett Pleasant Hill, CA USA

Archive-URL: http://search.bikelist.org/getmsg.asp?Filename=classicrendezvous.10812.0821.eml From: Mark Buswell <mark(AT)sisuhome.com> Subject: Re: [CR]Real or Fake Panto? Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:02:35 -0800

I, myself, would third (or fourth?) that. My transactions with him have been nothing but perfect. But thats not quite the topic though.

Mark buswell Sf, ca, usa

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On Dec 17, 2008, at 17:35, cwstudio(AT)aol.com wrote:
> Jerry and group,
>
> I'll second that. He's very reliable, prompt, and always seems to
> have great items. But I haven't purchased any Colnago items, either.
> Not that I would mind doing so, I just need the appropriate bike to
> attach them to.
>
> Best regards,
> Chris Wimpey
> San Diego, CA USA
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos(AT)sbcglobal.net>
> To: Mark Buswell <mark(AT)sisuhome.com>
> Cc: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> <classicrendezvous(AT)bikelist.org>
> Sent: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 5:27 pm
> Subject: Re: [CR]Real or Fake Panto?
>
> If you mean casanova9898, he is an extremely reliable seller. He is
> one
> of 3 or 4 European sellers I buy from frequently, and I have never
> had anyt
> hing but excellent dealings with him. Goods as described,
> reasonable shi
> pping cost, prompt delivery. Of course I never buy Colnago panto'ed
> part
> s, so I wouldn't know about those.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
> Big Spring, Texas, USA
>
> --- On Wed, 12/17/08, Mark Buswell <mark(AT)sisuhome.com> wrote:
>
> From: Mark Buswell <mark(AT)sisuhome.com>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Real or Fake Panto?
> To: "Mark Buswell" <mark(AT)sisuhome.com>
> Cc: "<classicrendezvous(AT)bikelist.org>"
> <classicrendezvous(AT)bikelist.org>
> Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 7:02 PM
>
> My mistake, the seller casanova is who i was thinking of, not
> radmatrose.
>
> Mark buswell
> Sf, ca, usa
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 17, 2008, at 12:12, Mark Buswell <mark(AT)sisuhome.com> wrote:
>
> > Ive thought the same thing about ebay seller "radmatrose".
> Something
> > doesnt quite look right and he has lots of quantities. Can anyone
> > confirm or deny?
> >
> > Mark buswell
> > Sf, ca, usa
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Dec 17, 2008, at 11:59, "accobra"
> <accobra(AT)peoplepc.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I recently bought a 1970's Colnago and I'd like to dress it up
> with
> >> a few early panto items. The following eBay seller has a neat stem
> >> but the size of the "Colnago" writing on the side is
> somewhat
> >> larger than what I'm used to seeing for this vintage. Then I got
>
> >> to looking at his other auctions and it seems he has an unusually
> >> high number of panto items.
> >>
> >> Below are some links to some of his current & sold items in the
> >> last month or two. There are so many and in styles I've never
> seen
> >> that I'm concerned that the pantos have been added recently. I
> >> would rather be wrong about all this because I like some of it.=2
> 0
> >> But I don't want to pay real money for something that's been
> >> recently created to look old & original.
> >>
> >> Here's the Colnago stem I have an interest in:
> >> http://tinyurl.com/3troqz
> >>
> >> He had another one just like it a week or two ago:
> >> http://tinyurl.com/52rdjt
> >>
> >> How about handlebars with this Colnago logo engraved on them?
> >> http://tinyurl.com/4fkzfn
> >>
> >> Campy Super Record Colnago rear derailleur?
> >> http://tinyurl.com/4qrcqx
> >>
> >> Bianchi chainring that looks like this?
> >> http://tinyurl.com/4mh9et
> >>
> >> Colnago shift levers. He's sold several pairs of these. The
> flat
> >> surfaces look much fresher than the rest of the shifter:
> >> http://tinyurl.com/3emfoh
> >>
> >> Old Campy pedals with panto & newer signature?
> >> http://tinyurl.com/3suw5t
> >>
> >> Would DeRosa do it this way?
> >> http://tinyurl.com/54nl82
> >>
> >> More DeRosa. Pedals:
> >> http://tinyurl.com/4sfprs
> >>
> >> Same picture, different auction for Colnago shifters. Is he
> >> manufacturing these...?
> >> http://tinyurl.com/4jth6k
> >>
> >> Another very odd st
> yle Colnago panto item. Shift levers:
> >> http://tinyurl.com/3h6eup
> >>
> >> I've never seen a Masi seatpost look like this:
> >> http://tinyurl.com/3nasuy
> >>
> >> There's more but you get the point. Thoughts & comments?
> Should I
> >> bet the farm or run the other way?
> >>
> >> Mark Winkelman
> >> Dallas, Texas USA