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Today's Topics:

1. Chas Messenger dies, one of the great figures in British racing (Silver, Mordecai) 2. Ebay Hurlow (David Benson) 3. Ciocc resto-mod pics!! (Jesse Hearndon) 4. Huret jubilee conundrum 5. Re: Mystry "531" Decal (Fred Rednor) 6. Re: Huret jubilee conundrum (Jerome & Elizabeth Moos) 7. Eisentraut "A" vs. Colnago repaints (Ken Wehrenberg) 8. RE: Huret jubilee conundrum (CyclArt Shop) 9. Stephen P Kinne/HBUS/HSBC is out of the office. 10. Celo Europa on ebay (Ross Young) 11. The Wait ... or is it the Weight. (Robert Clair) 12. Re: Huret jubilee conundrum (Leonard Bulger) 13. FS: 4 speed sturmey archer rear wheel and front 26x 1 1/8" (Phil Scott) 14. wtb gipiemme (edward hermanson)

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:54:40 -0400 From: "Silver, Mordecai" <MSilver@iso.com> To: "Classic Rendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Chas Messenger dies, one of the great figures in British racing Message-ID: <DB138660B6B01D458B16F9205C0C26340BBE7730@ISOEMAILP3.iso.com> In-Reply-To: <DB138660B6B01D458B16F9205C0C26340BBE76D8@ISOEMAILP3.iso.com> References: <DB138660B6B01D458B16F9205C0C26340BBE76D8@ISOEMAILP3.iso.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 1

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/Chas_Messenger_dies_article_264512.h tml

http://www.britishcycling.org.uk/web/site/BC/bcf/News2008/20080728_chas_ messenger_obituary.asp

(or http://tinyurl.com/6mnmf2)

One of the great pioneers in the road racing scene in Great Britain. He was the organizer of the Tour of Britain (Milk Race) for a number of years in the '50's and '60's, which he wrote about, stage by stage, in his book "Where There's a Wheel."

Mordecai Silver NYC This email is intended for the recipient only. If you are not the intend ed recipient please disregard, and do not use the information for any pur pose. ------------------------------

Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:09:53 -0700 (PDT) From: David Benson <bensondoc@yahoo.com.au> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Ebay Hurlow Message-ID: <56144.54675.qm@web36607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Reply-To: bensondoc@yahoo.com.au Message: 2

Did a CR listmember snag this Hurlow that closed on ebay yesterday? http://ebay.com/<blah> ss PageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih3 I had a dabble, but couldn't hack the pace in the last minute. Â David Benson Auckland, NZ http://retroride.blogspot.com

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:36:01 -0400 From: Jesse Hearndon <viper7990@hotmail.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Ciocc resto-mod pics!! Message-ID: <BAY102-W9E57EBBCA775BC69854D8B0820@phx.gbl> In-Reply-To: <BAY102-W53BE9B0B98D155947DE0FDB0820@phx.gbl> References: <BAY102-W53BE9B0B98D155947DE0FDB0820@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 3

Well now that I am home I can give you all a nice little history on this bi ke. I am part of a chopper bicycle club, that entails everything from wha t I own here http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h183/j-doggy_style/5-22-08%2 0spoiler3spd/IMG_3519.jpg to this crazy guy here with flame shooting out of the back of his frame haha http://s64.photobucket.com/albums/h183/j-doggy_ style/?action=view&current=Krusherz.flv We take ordinary bicycles and h ack them up into choppers. One of our members trolling the local bike shops found this Ciocc sitting outside rusting away behind the dumpster, yes t he shop was gonna toss it. So they picked it up and for about a week it sat with two other frames on the operating table awaiting modification. Well o ne night they decided to start hacking it up and at the last second, Sawz all in hand, remembered I had been looking for a decent road frame to rid e. So they asked if I wanted it and I of course agreed, not knowing anyth ing about this frame or manufacturer and expecting a piece of crap rusted-o ut 10 speed, picked up the frame and it took about two days for it to set in just exactly what I had stumbled upon. Here is a pic on day of delivery , all original sans rear wheel, it was damaged beyond repair (I still h ave it just in case) http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h183/j-doggy_style/I MG_2763.jpg I then converted to a 7-speed 21-12 Shimano cassette setup in f avor of the old freewheel Sachs 6-speed, which 5th and 6th were also dama ged and worn to the point the chain would skip http://i64.photobucket.com/a lbums/h183/j-doggy_style/IMG_2803.jpg and becoming even a bigger money pit 700c FSA 1640g RD-220 aluminum clinchers, wrapped in Maxxis 23c ReFuse tr eads http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h183/j-doggy_style/4-21-08%20ciocc/I MG_0030.jpg 9-speed Shimano HG70 25-12 with 11t SRAM conversion (12t shown)

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h183/j-doggy_style/4-21-08%20ciocc/IMG_ 0 033.jpg The contraption controlling it all, Shimano Dura-Ace 9-speed down tube shifters, keeps the old school theme and only weighs in at 76g for b oth shifters, compared to the FlightDeck's 300g+ total combined weight be tween both shifters. http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h183/j-doggy_style/4 -28-08%20ciocc%209%20spd/IMG_0059.jpg http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h18 3/j-doggy_style/4-28-08%20ciocc%209%20spd/IMG_0060.jpg http://i64.photobuck et.com/albums/h183/j-doggy_style/4-28-08%20ciocc%209%20spd/IMG_0065.jpg Mou nted with 11t http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h183/j-doggy_style/4-28-08% 20ciocc%209%20spd/IMG_0066.jpg End result, trackstanding on the original

Shimano 600 toe cages http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h183/j-doggy_style/ 4-21-08%20ciocc/IMG_0048.jpg But it all wasn't enough.....as blindingly fas t as this bike was, with a max speed of 46mph http://i64.photobucket.com/ albums/h183/j-doggy_style/IMG_2849.jpg It still looked like hell. The decal s were peeling, and the chrome on the forks was coming off. The paint was about 17 different shades of red and pink and white, and rust was formin g in areas. So I stripped it down to nothing http://i64.photobucket.com/alb ums/h183/j-doggy_style/7-2-08%20ciocc%20before/IMG_3822.jpg http://i64.phot obucket.com/albums/h183/j-doggy_style/7-2-08%20ciocc%20before/IMG_3837.jp g And sent it to the powdercoat shop, to be powdercoated in Coaster White w hich is closest to the factory white used by Ciocc. The reason I chose powd ercoat over paint was I needed something very durable and scratch resistant , because this is a rider, it won't be collecting dust in my house, o nly victories at local rides muahahaha Well I got it back from the shop,

and it turned out PERFECT. I even got to keep the original chrome on my rea r stays because it was still in good condition http://i64.photobucket.com/a lbums/h183/j-doggy_style/IMG_4303.jpg http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h18 3/j-doggy_style/IMG_4304.jpg Now I have trimmed overspray off of vital area s with a Dremel sander, like inside the seat post, and the shifter moun ts, and inside the headtube. The bottom bracket is actually standard, n ot Italian, since this bike was fitted with a Shimano 600 gruppo from the factory. It will need to be re-threaded because of very minor overspray bu t it still needs to be done. Decals have been ordered so hopefully I'll ge t those this week and apply them. They were !#$%^&^ 48 dollars shipped so t hey had better be good haha. The fork, well I'm not sure if I'm going to

get the fork re-chromed, or just polish it, it will be VERY expensive t o get it chromed and look nice. Full component build is on the way, new b ottom bracket, crank, but I'm keeping the 600 toe cages, I must be th e only person who likes them. Maybe a Selle Italia seat, and lighter fron t and rear derailleurs. Thought about all Campagnolo but every Ciocc I have seen but one has the Campy drivetrain. Seems the 600 is a little more diff icult to find. The Shimano 600 brakes aren't that bad, I might just clean and polish them and re-use them, they are actually in pretty good condit ion and bring the bike to a halt ricky-tick. When the fork and frame are do ne, and all my components are here, I will be shooting a video of the r e-build, time-lapse it and add some music or something. So far everything is looking good. As for me, well I work for the cable company (free cabl e!!!!) and I also own a 74 Schwinn Continental, a mint all-original 78 Sc hwinn Traveler (even the tires), a 76 Schwinn Superior which is the next

restoration, it won't be a resto-mod I'd like to keep this one somewhat o riginal since they are impossible to find (look on eBay for one, go ahead I'll wait hehe) maybe with different components but keeping within the 76' timeline. I have an 05' Schwinn Spoiler chopper with a custom 3-speed conv ersion (more on that later) an 02 Schwinn Frontier turned 60's Stingray (fr ame is only stock part left hehe) I also have an 08' Mongoose XR250 with fu ll upgrades and 203mm disc brakes, can you say overkill haha. I might hav e to make a website for all these, it's quite a collection. Updates on th e Ciocc coming soon Jesse, People's Republic of West Melbourne, Florida

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:19:06 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: chasds@mindspring.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Huret jubilee conundrum Message-ID: <6760126.1217373547323.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

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I have a bit of a mystery on my hands, one I'd like to solve.

I have a Huret Jubilee rear derailleur with what appears to be the original hanger bolt for a Campagnolo drop-out hanger. I also have the special purpose-made "claw"--the stop that fits over the bolt, with adjusting screw, to position the derailleur properly.

The problem is, the hanger bolt appears to have too many threads on it. When I tighten down on the thing it tightens all the way down, rendering the derailleur body immobile. I know this is not how it's supposed to work...it's supposed to work like a Campagnolo or Suntour..the derailleur is supposed to rotate around the bolt, because the threads end and the bolt stops just short of the derailleur body, leaving a bit of room for the derailleur to move.

Any solutions, anyone? Like, a bolt that will actually work right in this configuration?

I'd really like to use this derailleur.

France is a lovely place, but I really hate the french for their insistence on making their stuff *different* from everything else. Different threads. Different steerer-tube sizes. Different SEAT tube sizes. Different seatposts. Different drop-out hangers and derailleur mounting methods. It's just perverse, imho.

Charles Andrews Los Angeles ------------------------------

Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:36:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Fred Rednor <fred_rednor@yahoo.com> To: CR <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Mystry "531" Decal Message-ID: <727411.68780.qm@web30603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <914629.42625.qm@web56409.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Reply-To: fred_rednor@yahoo.com Message: 5

There was also a model, offered by Raleigh in the 1970s, made from this tubing. I have no idea of the model designation, but the frames seemed nicely built (lugged of course), although they used a bolted on derailleur hanger.

Surely, a few of you out there in CR-land owned examples of that model. I didn't, but I had two friends who did. That made me think they must have been pretty common.
      Cheers,
      Fred Rednor - Arlington, Virginia (USA)


--- On Tue, 7/29/08, Jack Gabus wrote:


> From: Jack Gabus <jack_gabus@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [CR]Mystry "531" Decal
> To: gillies@ece.ubc.ca
> Cc: "CR" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 2:16 PM
> Don:
>
> Yes that decal is actually the real deal. Here is the link
> to my 63' Taylor aka the Tank because this baby weighs a
> ton.
>
> http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/Giacomo-Gabus/63-Taylor/DSCF0251.jpg. html
>
> Sorry for the late post.
>
> Jack
>
> ...Don wrote
>
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 23:16:55 -0700 (PDT)
> From: gillies@ece.ubc.ca (donald gillies)
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]The Mythical 'Reynolds 531 Plain Gauge
> Throughout' Decal ??
> Message-ID: <20080726061655.DBF0B7684@ug7.ece.ubc.ca>
> Precedence: list
> Message: 14
>
> Is this an instance of this decal ?? I've never seen
> that decal
> live, and this ~1968 bike has a number of rather
> interesting
> features.
>
> http://i18.ebayimg.com/02/i/001/00/b9/b1e8_3.JPG
>
>
> http://ebay.com/<blah>
>
> Carlton often would use a higher-end decal and paint black
> paint
> over stuff that did not apply (i've seen it at least 3
> times
> before ...)
>
>
> Jack (Giacomo) Gabus Laguna Beach, CA United States of
> America jack@shermangabus.com
> http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/Giacomo-Gabus/?g2_page=2
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:39:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net> To: chasds@mindspring.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Huret jubilee conundrum Message-ID: <514694.87811.qm@web82202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <6760126.1217373547323.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

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Most Huret RD's were intended to be mounted with a nut behind the DO even on threaded DO's like Huret and Campy. The extra threads are for the nut. The proper way is to tighten the nut on the inside, while leaving some clearance ouside the DO for the RD body to rotate. Lots of times, especially on used bikes, the RD gets mounted without the nut, preventing the body from rotating. The RD still shifts, but you can't rotate it out of the way to change the wheel.

Regards,

Jerry Moos Big Spring, TX, USA

chasds@mindspring.com wrote: I have a bit of a mystery on my hands, one I'd like to solve.

I have a Huret Jubilee rear derailleur with what appears to be the original hanger bolt for a Campagnolo drop-out hanger. I also have the special purpose-made "claw"--the stop that fits over the bolt, with adjusting screw, to position the derailleur properly.

The problem is, the hanger bolt appears to have too many threads on it. When I tighten down on the thing it tightens all the way down, rendering the derailleur body immobile. I know this is not how it's supposed to work...it's supposed to work like a Campagnolo or Suntour..the derailleur is supposed to rotate around the bolt, because the threads end and the bolt stops just short of the derailleur body, leaving a bit of room for the derailleur to move.

Any solutions, anyone? Like, a bolt that will actually work right in this configuration?

I'd really like to use this derailleur.

France is a lovely place, but I really hate the french for their insistence on making their stuff *different* from everything else. Different threads. Different steerer-tube sizes. Different SEAT tube sizes. Different seatposts. Different drop-out hangers and derailleur mounting methods. It's just perverse, imho.

Charles Andrews Los Angeles _______________________________________________

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:12:49 -0500 From: Ken Wehrenberg <wnwires@htc.net> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR] Eisentraut "A" vs. Colnago repaints Message-ID: <80B8ABAC-865D-4435-92C7-599788ED3286@htc.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7

Well, CRers, the marketplace has spoken as these 2 auctions ended over the past few days. In an unusual sort of auction, the final bid amount on the Eisentraut was reached in the first day or so of a 10 day auction. This was a truly remarkably crafted frame expertly refinished by none other than Joe Bell. The second auction was for an early Colnago with not nearly the artistically expressed lug edges etc. and a thick powder coat to boot. (Does it sound like I am biased?) What I don't get is that the final winning bids on the bikes ended right at only $200 apart with the Eisentraut on top.

Any thoughts or comments?

Ken Wehrenberg, Hermann, MO (owner of another tangerine orange Eisentraut "A", too.) ------------------------------

Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:17:03 -0700 From: "CyclArt Shop" <shop@cyclart.com> To: "C R List" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, <chasds@mindspring.com> Subject: RE: [CR]Huret jubilee conundrum Message-ID: <DAECJCGMAPNDNDBOEMIKIEEKHAAA.shop@cyclart.com> In-Reply-To: <6760126.1217373547323.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

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RE: [CR]Huret jubilee conundrumCharles,

I had a look at one exactly like yours here. There are no extra threads that protrude beyond the hanger, hence it has no provision for the backside nut. There is only a foil-thin washer between the plastic claw and the derailleur hanger. When tightened down, the derailleur does not move, as you say. There is no way to make the threads on the bolt bottom

out on the hanger, as they are cut clear up to the derailleur knuckle. What I would suggest is to use some blue Loctite on the threads, and set

the bolt just a hair back from tight, just enough to let the derailleur pivot. Lube the bolt well where it goes through the derailleur knuckle so it won't try to loosen as it moves.

As far as the French go, I'm sure the feeling is mutual. After all, was it not a Frenchman who wrote, "L'enfer, c'est les autres"?

Greg Reiche

CyclArt

Vista, CA USA

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Subject: [CR]Huret jubilee conundrum

I have a bit of a mystery on my hands, one I'd like to solve.

I have a Huret Jubilee rear derailleur with what appears to be the original hanger bolt for a Campagnolo drop-out hanger. I also have the special purpose-made "claw"--the stop that fits over the bolt, with adjusting screw, to position the derailleur properly.

The problem is, the hanger bolt appears to have too many threads on it. When I tighten down on the thing it tightens all the way down, rendering

the derailleur body immobile. I know this is not how it's supposed to work...it's supposed to work like a Campagnolo or Suntour..the derailleur is supposed to rotate around the bolt, because the threads end and the bolt stops just short of the derailleur body, leaving a bit of room for the derailleur to move.

Any solutions, anyone? Like, a bolt that will actually work right in this configuration?

I'd really like to use this derailleur.

France is a lovely place, but I really hate the french for their insistence on making their stuff *different* from everything else. Different threads. Different steerer-tube sizes. Different SEAT tube sizes. Different seatposts. Different drop-out hangers and derailleur mounting methods. It's just perverse, imho.

Charles Andrews

Los Angeles

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 20:57:02 -0400 From: stephen.p.kinne@hsbcpb.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Stephen P Kinne/HBUS/HSBC is out of the office. Message-ID: <OF64526D94.A8AE73C4-ON85257496.000538F8-85257496.000538F8@hsbcib.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 9

I will be out of the office starting 07/29/2008 and will not return until 08/06/2008.

I will respond to your message when I return.

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:48:35 -0700 From: "Ross Young" <abarthfool@gmail.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Celo Europa on ebay Message-ID: <e699d65d0807291848m399f171k1707e80d3027a9a9@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10

Hello all, The Celo Europa frameset had no takers on the list, so to ebay it goes. http://ebay.com/<blah> ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih5 Regards, Ross Young Phoenix, Arizona, USA

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:32:37 -0500 From: "Robert Clair" <r.clair@cox.net> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]The Wait ... or is it the Weight. Message-ID: <000a01c8f1ec$886d4ee0$0202a8c0@Leo> References: <e699d65d0807291848m399f171k1707e80d3027a9a9@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain;format=flowed;charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11

... why would anyone, anyone, what, wait six-plus years for a pinned frame. at that time, maybe some doctor might be pinning your pelvis back together.

... truth in lending: i had this enourmously large NJS poster that i was dumb enough to have dry mounted. took several weeks, and a second pass to get it down.

... but love my italian framer. no pins there. no zen marketing there either. and we do love yougart.

robert clair alexandria, va 22308

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:39:20 -0400 From: Leonard Bulger <lbulger@comcast.net> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Huret jubilee conundrum Message-ID: <55E5BACD-9DAA-497F-A182-6017DE854E5D@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=US-ASCII;format=flowed;delsp=yes MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12

Later Huret derailleurs did away with the nut. The hangar bolt is split and locks in place by a small internal bolt that acts like a wedge, sort of like a bar-end shifter. The wedge bolt is accessed from the back, ie.the threaded end of the hangar bolt. I haven't seen one of these on a Jubilee, but some Duopars and Successes have it. Perhaps this is what you have. Leonard Bulger Marblehead, MA USA

chasds(AT)mindspring.com wrote: I have a bit of a mystery on my hands, one I'd like to solve.

I have a Huret Jubilee rear derailleur with what appears to be the original hanger bolt for a Campagnolo drop-out hanger. I also have the special purpose-made "claw"--the stop that fits over the bolt, with adjusting screw, to position the derailleur properly.

The problem is, the hanger bolt appears to have too many threads on it. When I tighten down on the thing it tightens all the way down, rendering the derailleur body immobile. I know this is not how it's supposed to work...it's supposed to work like a Campagnolo or Suntour..the derailleur is supposed to rotate around the bolt, because the threads end and the bolt stops just short of the derailleur body, leaving a bit of room for the derailleur to move.

Any solutions, anyone? Like, a bolt that will actually work right in this configuration?

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:56:00 -0400 From: "Phil Scott" <pdscott@woh.rr.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]FS: 4 speed sturmey archer rear wheel and front 26x 1 1/8" Message-ID: <000601c8f1ef$cc3f7e10$6601a8c0@IDODESIGNS> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13

FS: 4 speed sturmey archer rear hub wheel and front Dunlop 26x1 1/8" Endrick rims ? With tires and tubes. I have 3 speed shifter and cable also.- This is a set of wheels that came off and old British frame.I would like $50 plus shipping for wheels and shifter. The old centerpull brakes are on ebay now.

Phil Scott ( riding again after 4x bypass heart surgery and 6 kidney stone surgeries) Clayton, Ohio

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 20:26:41 -0700 (PDT) From: edward hermanson <ciocc999@yahoo.com> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]wtb gipiemme Message-ID: <900790.22846.qm@web37404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Reply-To: ciocc999@yahoo.com Message: 14

i am looking for a late 1970's early 80's track group...primarily i need a 165 crank set and a pair of track hubs. i am building a 1977 marzano track bike and feel that gipiemme would be most appropiate. all or any suggestions will be most appreciated.

thanks all...

edward hermanson washington, dc usa ciocc999@yahoo.com ciocc999@gmail.com

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