[CR]reply to stuck seatpost discussion

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From: "Manfred Hegwer" <manfredhegwer@hotmail.com>
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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 09:18:07 -0500
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Subject: [CR]reply to stuck seatpost discussion

Heating the aluminum seat post may very well work but don't heat it to the point of trying to melt it. You can use a torch like the one a plumber wou ld use to sweat copper pipe. Heat the exposed aluminum post long enough to
   allow it to conduct the heat down into the seat tube. The different metal s have different rates of thermal expansion. This movement will often brea k the bond between the two metals. I recently used this method to remove a
   pedal stuck in a crank arm.> From: classicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org>
   Subject: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 67, Issue 10> To: classicrendez vous@bikelist.org> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 23:11:10 -0700> > Send Classicre ndezvous mailing list submissions to> classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> http://www.bikeli st.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezvous> or, via email, send a messag e with subject or body 'help' to> classicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org> >
   You can reach the person managing the list at> classicrendezvous-owner@bik elist.org> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more s pecific> than "Re: Contents of Classicrendezvous digest..."> > > CR> > Toda y's Topics:> > 1. Re: Bike Weight (John Betmanis)> 2. RE: What diameter sea tpin for Eisentraut A Model? (Earle Young)> 3. Shipping rims (David Bean)> 4. D'Alessandra/Woolistic ?? (Robert Clair)> 5. Re: Info about Dolmen bikes
   and my parts wanted (John Betmanis)> 6. Wanted to buy, Guerciotti frame or complete bike (Manfred Hegwer)> 7. RE: Shipping rims (R.S. Broderick)> 8 . Semi-annual stuck seatpost thread (Jerome & Elizabeth Moos)> 9. RE: When shipping, what works for a cheap hub substitute?> (Raymond Dobbins)> 10. Re: Semi-annual stuck seatpost thread> 11. Changes in cockpit with introduc tion and changes in brifters> (Harry Travis)> 12. RE: Semi-annual stuck sea tpost thread (Scott L. Minneman)> 13. FS Viscount ( premium ) frame (Harry Travis)> 14. Re: Changes in cockpit with introduction and changes in brifte rs> (ternst)> > > --------------------------------------------------------- -------------> > Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:06:03 -0400> From: John Betman is <johnb@oxford.net>> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR ]Bike Weight> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20080702200603.01455ae0@mailhost.oxford .net>> In-Reply-To: <8801bb250807021209s2d819148i7db9dba691cfd710@mail.gmai l.co> m>> References: <BAY103-W2682FE72CBFFC175569328909E0@phx.gbl>> <BAY10 3-W2682FE72CBFFC175569328909E0@phx.gbl>> Content-Type: text/plain; charse t="us-ascii"> MIME-Version: 1.0> Precedence: list> Message: 1> > At 01:09
   PM 02/07/2008 -0600, Mitch Harris wrote:> > >There were two cyclists the re on> >mid-level recent race bikes who were explaining how to choose a> >b icycle to two motocyclists who were apparently curious.> >> >The racer cycl ist pointed to our bikes as we rode up, mine that day an> >early 70s Engl ish race bike, hers an early 80s Batavus Professional,> >and was saying
   loudly to the Harley riders:> >> >"Now look at these two bikes, they mig ht be as old as ten years ago> >and they weigh between 35 and 40 pounds whi ch was lightweight back> >then."> > Of course, the Harley riders were pro bably amazed that a bicycle could be> made as light as 35 or 40 pounds, s ince their beasts weigh about half a ton> and need a crane to get them upri ght again, should they topple over. (When> I was doing motocross back in the late 1960s, 200 pounds was a good weight> for a 250, 20 pounds less
   for a 250 trials bike. The concept of weight is a> whole different thing t o the Harley crowd; probably something like, the> greater the weight,
   the smoother the ride.> > Oh, and as fot the two cyclists on "mid-level recent race bikes", they were> probably not even a twinkle in their paren ts' eyes when we were riding 20> pound steel bikes.> > John Betmanis> Woods tock, Ontario> Canada> ------------------------------> > Date: Wed, 2 J ul 2008 19:18:51 -0500> From: "Earle Young" <earle.young@tds.net>> To: <cla ssicrendezvous@bikelist.org>> Subject: [CR]RE: What diameter seatpin for Ei sentraut A Model?> Message-ID: <001901c8dca2$60470960$0200a8c0@pcearle>> Re ferences: <MONKEYFOODHdXcQw8qB00001f83@monkeyfood.nt.phred.org>> Content-Ty pe: text/plain;format=flowed;charset="iso-8859-1";> reply-type= original> MIME-Version: 1.0> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit> Precedence: l ist> Message: 2> > Ben S. said (in part) > Eisentraut was known to often mi x tubing gauges in > his frames, so there isn't likely a "standard" seatp ost> > size.> >> Early editions of Sutherland's Handbook for Bicycle Mechan ics used to devote > a whole page to just this:> > "One measurement is wort h a thousand expert opinions."> > Enough said.> > Earle Young,> Madison , Wisc.> Offering expert wheelbuilding service for classic and modern bik es.> http://www.earleyoung.com > > ------------------------------> > Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 19:48:27 -0400> From: "David Bean" <beandk@rcn.com>> To: "CR Lis t (E-mail)" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>> Subject: [CR]Shipping rims> M essage-ID: <000201c8dc9e$205c6a10$6d7ba8c0@dkbwin2k>> Content-Type: text/pl ain;charset="iso-8859-1"> MIME-Version: 1.0> Content-Transfer-Encoding:
   7bit> Precedence: list> Reply-To: beandk@rcn.com> Message: 3> > I received
   a pair of rims alone simply wrapped together in paper then in> plastic tap e. They were sent priority mail. I wonder if the oddity of the> annular pac kage led to more careful handling. It seems likely they'd wind> up on top o f any heap.> > The most recent ebay wheels I got were nicely packed in a la rge rectangular> box. Inside were cardboard spacers to separate them from e ach other and> from all 6 sides of the box. The corrugations of the cardboa rd spacers ran> parallel to the axles. It was quite light and seemed like i t had a lot of> room to suffer abuse and not pass it on to the wheels.> > D avid Bean> Arlington, MA USA> beandk at are-see-enn dot com> > ---------- --------------------> > Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 19:47:09 -0500> From: "Robe rt Clair" <r.clair@cox.net>> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>> Cc: pica bo58@earthlink.net> Subject: [CR]D'Alessandra/Woolistic ??> Message-ID: <00 bc01c8dca6$53144ba0$0202a8c0@Leo>> References: <952857.40367.qm@web44907.ma il.sp1.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain;format=flowed;charset=" iso-8859-1";> reply-type=original> MIME-Version: 1.0> Content-Transfer- Encoding: 7bit> Precedence: list> Message: 4> > was going to the proverbial
   "back closet" to find something different to > wear to the gym tomorrow .. . and we found this thing, still with the > original tags.> > it's a top , a merino, and on the back in heavy stitching is:> > FREDRIKSHOF> > th anks alex (i think) this looks like a keeper ! any idea what we found > her e.> > robert clair> alexandria, va 22308> usa > > ----------------------- -------> > Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:57:22 -0400> From: John Betmanis <jo hnb@oxford.net>> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Info about Dolmen bikes and my parts wanted> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.2008070220572 2.01455ae0@mailhost.oxford.net>> In-Reply-To: <486B0A00.9040308@gmail.com>>
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> MIME-Version: 1.0> Prece dence: list> Message: 5> > I have a 1960s Jeunet track bike with those exac t same lugs and crank set,> but the seatstays don't wrap around like that .> http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/Oldyellr/jeunet/> > I'd say it was F rench, for sure.> > At 09:54 PM 01/07/2008 -0700, erik wrote:> >I acqui red a 50?s lugged touring bike, a Dolmen, and so far I have found > >no
   info about it.> >> >It is equipped with CLB 700 brakes and levers, Kipri m steel stem / bar, > >Nervar single ring 3 arm cottered cranks, Simple x LJ shifter, Lefol > >fenders, Ideale saddle, Radios #16 light, et c.> >> >Photos here:> >http://photobucket.com/dolmen> >> >Let me know if yo u have any info / ideas about this bike.> > > John Betmanis> Woodstock, O ntario> Canada> ------------------------------> > Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 2 0:41:36 -0500> From: Manfred Hegwer <manfredhegwer@hotmail.com>> To: <class icrendezvous@bikelist.org>> Subject: [CR]Wanted to buy, Guerciotti frame or complete bike> Message-ID: <BAY102-W21F594AEE3212C2F176BC3B2980@phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"> MIME-Version: 1.0> Precedence: list> Message: 6> > > I'm searching for a 1980-1983 Guerciotti 57 or 58 cm Columbus SL frame or c> omplete bike. Condition of paint/finish
   is unimportant as this is a restor> ation project. I'm not interested in a
   bent or crash damaged examples. I> 'm also interested in "near pristine ri der" examples of the above. I'm bra> nd new to the list and beg your pardon
   if this posting is not in keeping wi> th the list rules. Also, I would l ike to post a profile as the instructi> ons of the list encourage but it is
   unclear to me how I do this. Any help > is greatly appreciated.> > Thanks ,> > Manfred Hegwer> Lincolnshire, IL> manfredhegwer@hotmail.com> _____ ____________________________________________________________> Enter the Zun e-A-Day Giveaway for your chance to win \u2014 day after day afte> r day> http ://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/ZuneADay/?locale=en-US&ocid=TXT_TAGL> M_ Mobile_Zune_V1> ------------------------------> > Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 2 1:12:31 -0500> From: "R.S. Broderick" <rsb000@hotmail.com>> To: <classicren dezvous@bikelist.org>> Cc: beandk@rcn.com> Subject: RE: [CR]Shipping rims> Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV9527861E14CAEFA9F6E129C980@phx.gbl>> Message-ID: <00 8f01c8dcb2$4038e8e0$6401a8c0@MEDIFACTOR7>> In-Reply-To: <000201c8dc9e$205c6 a10$6d7ba8c0@dkbwin2k>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii"> MI ME-Version: 1.0> Precedence: list> Reply-To: rsb000@hotmail.com> Message: 7
> > David,> > Funny that you should mention this as several years back I received in > the> mail from a rather well known establishment in England a
   pair of NOS > vintage> MAVIC Bleu SSC rims packaged just as you described.
   This unnamed > merchant> had covered a single rim in thin bubble wrap and then used a larger > version> of bubble wrap along with some clear tape to secure the second rim to > the> first, thereby effectively entombing both
   in the process. Quite frankly > I> was stunned to see the pair arrive as t hey did looking every bit like > what> one might snidely consider to be a C .P.S.C. compliant version of the> hula-hoop. But after freeing them from th eir nominal plastic bondage I> placed them individually on a large flat met al surface and followed that > up> with a quick roll out check so as to con firm the fact that, yes indeed> folks, they had survived their trans-At lantic journey in absolutely > perfect> stead.> > Still, I prefer to use rim specific packaging boxes secured from my LBS> (...I have a standing req uest for them to hold back good examples for me > to> collect - hey, they
   make perfect storage containers for your as yet to > be> built spare rims too) with each rim wrapped individually in a light > layer of> foam - and I
   have never once had a problem in shipping using this> methodology.> > Robe rt "whoda thunk?" Broderick> ..the "Frozen Flatlands" of South Dakota> Siou x Falls, USA> > > -----Original Message-----> From: classicrendezvous-bou nces@bikelist.org> [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behal f Of David Bean> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 6:48 PM> To: CR List (E -mail)> Subject: [CR]Shipping rims> > I received a pair of rims alone simpl y wrapped together in paper then in> plastic tape. They were sent priority mail. I wonder if the oddity of > the> annular package led to more careful handling. It seems likely they'd > wind> up on top of any heap.> > The most
   recent ebay wheels I got were nicely packed in a large > rectangular> box.
   Inside were cardboard spacers to separate them from each other and> from a ll 6 sides of the box. The corrugations of the cardboard spacers > ran> par allel to the axles. It was quite light and seemed like it had a lot > of> r oom to suffer abuse and not pass it on to the wheels.> > David Bean> Arling ton, MA USA> beandk at are-see-enn dot com> > ___________________________ ____________________> Classicrendezvous mailing list> Classicrendezvous@bik elist.org> http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezvous> > -- ----------------------------> > Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 19:47:45 -0700 (PDT )> From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>> To: classicrend ezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Semi-annual stuck seatpost thread> Messag e-ID: <74672.36621.qm@web82204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>> In-Reply-To: <952857.40 367.qm@web44907.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset= iso-8859-1> MIME-Version: 1.0> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit> Precedence:
   list> Message: 8> > OK, time for the semi annual stuck seatpost thread.>
   > Received a 70's Trusty-era Viscount today. The setpost is stuck, which
   had caused the seller to remove the saddle but leave the seatpost exposed , which punched a hole in the box. The saddle is a nasty cheap steel and rubber Messinger and the post is a cheap aluminum straight post, so I don t care if I destroy both of them getting the post out. Reinstalled the sadd le to use as lever to try to move the post, no luck so far.> > So any new
   magic formulas besides Coca-Cola, Ammonia, Kroil? I could cut off the post at the seat clamp, but that might just make it harder to get the rem aining part out. Does the fact the straight post is aluminum, and therefo re soft, make it any easier to get it out? Any new suggestions or reposts
   of old ones?> > Good news, I guess, is I only pait $86 for this, alt hough the shipping was almost as much. And it has a good set of wheels, T itlist deraillers and shifters and Viscount bars, stem, pedals and brak es, which probably is worth the $86, but the frame could be an interest ing rider if I can get the damn post out.> > Regards,> > Jerry Moos> Big Spring, Texas, USA> > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---> multipart/alternative> text/plain (text body -- kept)> text/html
> ---> ------------------------------> > Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 19:56:50 - 0700 (PDT)> From: Raymond Dobbins <raydobbins2003@yahoo.com>> To: dcwilson3 @yahoo.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org,> shop@cyclart.com> Subject:
   RE: [CR]When shipping, what works for a cheap hub substitute?> Message-I D: <830989.355.qm@web63411.mail.re1.yahoo.com>> In-Reply-To: <DAECJCGMAPNDN DBOEMIKKEEPGPAA.shop@cyclart.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=is o-8859-1> MIME-Version: 1.0> Precedence: list> Reply-To: raydobbins2003@yah oo.com> Message: 9> > Greg, many years ago I received a frame back from y ou guys with one of th> e wood blocks you mention. It is the best way to p revent dropout and r/d> hanger damage that I have ever seen. Of course I u sed it to ship a fram> e many years ago and I no longer have it. Could you
   please post a photo > of it?> > Ray Dobbins> Miami FL USA> > --- On Wed , 7/2/08, CyclArt Shop <shop@cyclart.com> wrote:> > From: CyclArt Shop <shop@cyclart.com>> Subject: RE: [CR]When shipping, what works for a chea p hub substitute?> To: dcwilson3@yahoo.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.or g> Date: Wednesday, July 2, 2008, 4:58 PM> > Don,> > An old large-f lange hub works very well. A bolt and nuts are ok for> preserving the axle spacing, but they don't protect the derailleur hanger> from being bent th e way a large-flange hub will. A hard enough hit can also> close the axle s lots slightly, even with an axle substitute in place.> > The best alterna tive is a cut piece of 2x2 lumber. We cut part of each end> off so that the
   center of the block equals the axle spacing width. We leave> about a half- inch ear on each end that is the thickness of the axle slot.> When inserted
   into the dropouts, the ears fill the entire dropout slot, and> the blo ck hangs down to protect the entire derailleur hanger.> > Pictures:> http:/ /www.cyclart.com/photos/block1.jpg> http://www.cyclart.com/photos/block2.jp g> http://www.cyclart.com/photos/block3.jpg> > Greg Reiche> CyclArt> Vista , CA USA> > -----Original Message-----> From: classicrendezvous-bounces@b ikelist.org> [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org]On Behalf Of Do n Wilson> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 11:07 AM> To: classicrendezvou s@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]When shipping, what works for a cheap hub su bstitute?> > > Recent emails about shipping damage indicate you want a hub or a hub> substitute between the forks and rear stays to reduce shipping da mage. I> don't want to tear down any wheels. Just buy long bolts with some nuts at> the hardware store? If so, what diameter and length of bolt work s best?> > Don Wilson> Los Olivos, CA USA> > D.C. Wilson dcwilson3@yahoo. com> -----------------------------------------------------------> Note: Thi s message may contain confidential and/or privileged> information. If you a re not the addressee or authorized to> receive this for the addressee, yo u must not use, copy, disclose or take an> y> action based on this mess age or any information herein. If you have> received this message in error , please advise the sender immediately by> reply e-mail and delete this m essage. Thank you for your cooperation.> ---------------------------------- ---------------------------> > > > ________________________________________ _______> Classicrendezvous mailing list> Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> ht tp://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezvous> > -- > I am using
   the free version of SPAMfighter for private users.> It has removed 6778 sp am emails to date.> Paying users do not have this message in their emails.>
   Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len> > > > --- S tripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---> multipart/mixed> text/plain (t ext body -- kept)> application/ms-tnef> ---> ______________________________ _________________> Classicrendezvous mailing list> Classicrendezvous@bikeli st.org> http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezvous> > --- S tripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---> multipart/alternative> text/pl ain (text body -- kept)> text/html> ---> ------------------------------> > Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 23:20:48 -0400> From: cwstudio@aol.com> To: jerrym oos@sbcglobal.net, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Semi- annual stuck seatpost thread> Message-ID: <8CAAAD2EB962909-12A0-4360@WEBMAI L-MC08.sysops.aol.com>> In-Reply-To: <74672.36621.qm@web82204.mail.mud.yaho o.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"> MIME-Version: 1.0> P recedence: list> Message: 10> > > I'm currently dealing with the same probl em. I've gone through the various l> ubricants and the Kroil stage, and a m finally considering simply cutting the> post off then cutting it internal ly in two places, the length of the post, > to remove it in pieces.Â
> > > > > > A framebuilder friend has suggested using a torch with enough h eat to melt t> he aluminum post, since it will melt before the steel fram e. Seems like a ra> dical solution. I have some reservations about it, es pecially since that hea> t will be near the very nice seat tube cluster and
   might weaken the brazed j> oint.> > > > > > If there's a better method, I'd really love to hear of it.> > > > > Chris Wimpey> > San Diego, Califo rnia> > USA> > > > > > > > > Â > > > -----Original Message-----> From: Je rome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>> To: classicrendezvous@bike list.org> Sent: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 7:47 pm> Subject: [CR]Semi-annual stuck s eatpost thread> > > > > > > > > OK, time for the semi annual stuck seatpo st thread.> > Received a 70's Trusty-era Viscount today. The setpost is stu ck, which ha> d > caused the seller to remove the saddle but leave the se atpost exposed, which> > punched a hole in the box. The saddle is a nasty
   cheap steel and rubber > Messinger and the post is a cheap aluminum straig ht post, so I dont care if > I > destroy both of them getting the post ou t. Reinstalled the saddle to use as> > lever to try to move the post, no luck so far.> > So any new magic formulas besides Coca-Cola, Ammonia, K roil? I could cut > off > the post at the seat clamp, but that might just
   make it harder to get the > remaining part out. Does the fact the straight
   post is aluminum, and theref> ore > soft, make it any easier to get it
   out? Any new suggestions or reposts of o> ld > ones?> > Good news, I gue ss, is I only pait $86 for this, although the shipping was> > almost as
   much. And it has a good set of wheels, Titlist deraillers and > shifters
   and Viscount bars, stem, pedals and brakes, which probably is worth>
   the > $86, but the frame could be an interesting rider if I can get the damn post > out.> > Regards,> > Jerry Moos> Big Spring, Texas, USA> >
   > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---> multipart/alte rnative> text/plain (text body -- kept)> text/html> ---> __________________ _____________________________> Classicrendezvous mailing list> Classicrende zvous@bikelist.org> http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezv ous> > > > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---> multipart/alternative> text/plain (text body -- kept)> text/html> ---> ---- --------------------------> > Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 00:09:49 -0400> From:
   "Harry Travis" <travis.harry@gmail.com>> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.or g> Subject: [CR]Changes in cockpit with introduction and changes in brifter s> Message-ID: <58dbc8400807022109t356e4967w3da70ea016bc57@mail.gmail.com>>
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> MIME-Version: 1.0> Conte nt-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit> Precedence: list> Message: 11> > This seems a g roup with enough bikes, including some that are OT, that this> question
   can be best answered here.> > I have the impression that OT brifters, Sh imano especially, stretch the> rider out if the bars had the same reach t hey used to, long ago,or if those> mostly ugly stems for threadless hea dsets were as long as gracefull quill> stems used to commonly be (120-130mm )> > Am I mistaken in this, having just grown older and less flexible, or was> there a change? I'm interested, not just for the history, but b ecause I> don't recall seeing advice on fitting which would acknowledge and
   compensate> for the change.> > Harry Travis> Washington, DC> USA> > > -- - StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---> multipart/alternative> text /plain (text body -- kept)> text/html> ---> ------------------------------>
   > Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 21:41:40 -0700> From: "Scott L. Minneman" <minne man@onomy.com>> To: <cwstudio@aol.com>,> "'Rendezvous Classic'" <classicr endezvous@bikelist.org>> Subject: RE: [CR]Semi-annual stuck seatpost thread
> Message-ID: <000c01c8dcc7$45e88c90$c601000a@H10N7>> In-Reply-To: <8CAAAD2 EB962909-12A0-4360@WEBMAIL-MC08.sysops.aol.com>> Content-Type: text/plain ;charset="iso-8859-1"> MIME-Version: 1.0> Precedence: list> Message: 12
> > I would tend to say that you shouldn't let your framebuilder friend nea r> your bikes...a silver-brazed frame will come apart right around the> tem perature where the aluminum melts, and many steel alloys don't much > lik e> to spend much time around/above the aluminum melting point (753 being > the> classic example).> > Melting the aluminum out is *not* a wise approach
   to dealing with a > stuck> seatpost, unless I'm missing something.> > Sc ott Minneman> San Francisco, CA - USA> > -----Original Message-----> > Fr om: cwstudio@aol.com [mailto:cwstudio@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 02 , 2008 8:21 PM> To: jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net; classicrendezvous@bikelist .org> Subject: Re: [CR]Semi-annual stuck seatpost thread> > > I'm currently
   dealing with the same problem. I've gone through the > various l> ubricant s and the Kroil stage, and am finally considering simply cutting > the> p ost off then cutting it internally in two places, the length of the > pos t,> to remove it in pieces. > > > > > > A framebuilder friend has suggest ed using a torch with enough heat to > melt t> he aluminum post, since it
   will melt before the steel frame. Seems like > a ra> dical solution. I hav e some reservations about it, especially since that > hea> t will be near
   the very nice seat tube cluster and might weaken the > brazed j> oint.> >
> > > > If there's a better method, I'd really love to hear of it.> > > >
   > Chris Wimpey> > San Diego, California> > USA> > > > > > > > > > > > - ----Original Message-----> From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglob al.net>> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Sent: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 7:47 p m> Subject: [CR]Semi-annual stuck seatpost thread> > > > > > > > > OK, ti me for the semi annual stuck seatpost thread.> > Received a 70's Trusty-era
   Viscount today. The setpost is stuck, > which ha> d > caused the seller to remove the saddle but leave the seatpost exposed, > which> > punched a
   hole in the box. The saddle is a nasty cheap steel and rubber > > Messinge r and the post is a cheap aluminum straight post, so I dont care > if > I
   > destroy both of them getting the post out. Reinstalled the saddle to > u se as> > lever to try to move the post, no luck so far.> > So any new mag ic formulas besides Coca-Cola, Ammonia, Kroil? I could > cut > off > th e post at the seat clamp, but that might just make it harder to get > the
   > remaining part out. Does the fact the straight post is aluminum, and >
   theref> ore > soft, make it any easier to get it out? Any new suggestion s or reposts > of o> ld > ones?> > Good news, I guess, is I only pait $ 86 for this, although the shipping > was> > almost as much. And it has a good set of wheels, Titlist deraillers and > > shifters and Viscount bars , stem, pedals and brakes, which probably is > worth> the > $86, bu t the frame could be an interesting rider if I can get the damn > post > ou t.> > Regards,> > Jerry Moos> Big Spring, Texas, USA> > > > > > > ---
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   > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---> multipart/alte rnative> text/plain (text body -- kept)> text/html> ---> __________________ _____________________________> Classicrendezvous mailing list> Classicrende zvous@bikelist.org> http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezv ous> > ------------------------------> > Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 01:10:09 - 0400> From: "Harry Travis" <travis.harry@gmail.com>> To: Classicrendezvous@ bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]FS Viscount ( premium ) frame> Message-ID: <58db c8400807022210t65616969xfa6f9cb4e5682c9a@mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: tex t/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> MIME-Version: 1.0> Content-Transfer-Encodi ng: 7bit> Precedence: list> Message: 13> > 49cm x 52cm c-c. with tange chro me fork. Includes bb, headset, stem,> handlebars, Lambert brake lev ers, and Dia-Comp helper levers.> > Studying the Visount catalog from the
   day, posted somewhere online, I> believe this was their premium frame of 3, to judge from the components,> including Titlist rear der/mech,
   Ideal saddle, and tubular wheels. (Sale> includes only the parts in the first sentence, above) IIRC, a review can> also be found on line. The b ike compared favorably to the hi-tech jet> fighter in the background, but
   I'm not sure whether I am recalling the> advert or the review.)> > Paint i s mostly good without being burdensomely thick and heavy, the decals> in head badge position, and on the seat tube very good. To judge from the> c ondition of the tires and Lambert crankset (not included) this bike was> st andard basement or garage ware, ie ridden <500 miles before being put> aw ay.> > You may find a reference to this group's most trusted Hillary Stone , for> some ideas on rebuilding here.> > http://bikecult.com/works/parts/ bbViscount.html> > $70 + shipping.> > This Viscount does NOT suffer the stu ck post that Jerry Moos' Viscount has.> (Hm, is it the bike or the owner who suffers the stuck post?)> > Harry Travis> Washington, DC> USA> > > -- - StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---> multipart/alternative> text /plain (text body -- kept)> text/html> ---> ------------------------------>
   > Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 23:10:24 -0700> From: "ternst" <ternst1@cox.net>
> To: "Harry Travis" <travis.harry@gmail.com>,> <Classicrendezvous@bikeli st.org>> Subject: Re: [CR]Changes in cockpit with introduction and changes in brifters> Message-ID: <000e01c8dcd3$7b2ce890$0200a8c0@D8XCLL51>> Referen ces: <58dbc8400807022109t356e4967w3da70ea016bc57@mail.gmail.com>> Content-T ype: text/plain;format=flowed;charset="iso-8859-1";> reply-type =original> MIME-Version: 1.0> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit> Precedence : list> Message: 14> > You've answered your own Q., Harry.> Hold the two levers next to one another and you noitice about a cm. + maybe > 1/2" longe r body section to accomodate the mechanism inside.> So, it changes bar,
   lever/handle, and stem relationship completely.> Guys like myself who ha ve worked with fitting riders noticed this from the > very beginning and ha d to compensate accordingly.> The anatomic bars along with various forward throw bars have helped > alleviate some of the difficulties encountered at first .> Ted Ernst> Palos Verdes Estates> CA USA> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Harry Travis" <travis.harry@gmail.com>> To: <Classicrendezvo us@bikelist.org>> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 9:09 PM> Subject: [CR] Changes in cockpit with introduction and changes in brifters> > > > This se ems a group with enough bikes, including some that are OT, that > > thi s> > question can be best answered here.> >> > I have the impression that O T brifters, Shimano especially, stretch the> > rider out if the bars ha d the same reach they used to, long ago,or if > > those> > mostly ugly stems for threadless headsets were as long as gracefull quill> > stems used
   to commonly be (120-130mm)> >> > Am I mistaken in this, having just grow n older and less flexible, or was> > there a change? I'm interested, no t just for the history, but because I> > don't recall seeing advice on fi tting which would acknowledge and > > compensate> > for the change.> >> > H arry Travis> > Washington, DC> > USA> >> >> > --- StripMime Report -- pro cessed MIME parts ---> > multipart/alternative> > text/plain (text body -- kept)> > text/html> > ---> > ______________________________________________ _> > Classicrendezvous mailing list> > Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> > ht tp://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezvous > > -------------- ----------------> > _______________________________________________> Classi crendezvous mailing list> Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> http://www.bikeli st.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezvous> > > End of Classicrendezvous Dig est, Vol 67, Issue 10> ************************************************ * _________________________________________________________________ Do more with your photos with Windows Live Photo Gallery. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_photos_022008