[CR] Raleigh TI SB vs W (Ilkeston vs Worksop)

(Example: Component Manufacturers)

From: "Eric Elman" <tr4play@cox.net>
To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, donald gillies <gillies@ece.ubc.ca>
References: <20090128022241.92F6819D8D@ug6.ece.ubc.ca>
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 21:38:50 -0500
Cc: rsilvercat@earthlink.net
Subject: [CR] Raleigh TI SB vs W (Ilkeston vs Worksop)


And I would qualify Don's statement:

The Worksop 531 bikes have the same details as the
> Ilkeston 531 bikes, except for the following differences :
>
> ilkeston team pro's typically have 6-hole drillium dropouts
> worksop team pro's have huge bottom bracket cutouts are are lighter

SB Seat stay caps can be different SB lug filing, stay/fork ends and overall finish is superior Various lug types were used on the SB Ilkeston frames vs the standard ones used on the Worksop frames SB seat bolt lug ears are usually filled Finally, SB frame ride and feel different - yes, subjective, but that's my experience

Eric Elman (I have owned over a dozen Pro's and Team Pros, currently have two SB road bikes [one 531, one 753] and one SB 531 track bike) Somers, CT USA


----- Original Message -----
From: donald gillies
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Cc: rsilvercat@earthlink.net
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: [CR] Raleigh TI 753 53CM (Ed Granger)



>I have to disagree with Bill Silverman Here :
>
>> Don't do it! I strongly suspect the frameset offered is something
>> other than a genuine Team Raleigh.
>
> The frame under consideration is a Worksop Team Pro, ebay item :
>
> http://ebay.com/<blah>
>
> These frames are very nice, if you strip away the paint you will find
> the equivalent in the USA of a 1977-1981 Raleigh Pro, in the U.K. it's
> known as a Carlton Pro, down beneath. I have a Carlton Pro(77),
> Raleigh Pro(74), and Ilkeston(SB310, 1975) Pro. The brazing on all 3
> is very very good. The Worksop 531 bikes have the same details as the
> Ilkeston 531 bikes, except for the following differences :
>
> ilkeston team pro's typically have 6-hole drillium dropouts
> worksop team pro's have huge bottom bracket cutouts are are lighter
>
> I would caution however that there were some raleigh-competition class
> frames painted in team colors, you can identify these quickly from the
> following traits :
>
> no Haden brake bridge with center barrel on back end
> no brake-bridge reinforcements on seat stays
> no bottom-bracket cutouts
> no oversized seatstay caps
>
> I have also witnessed a Carlton Pro made with 531 professional tubing,
> so at some late date it was possible to get a Reynolds 753-class
> bicycle from Worksop / Carlton.
>
> I also have to disagree with Peter Kohler on one minor issue :
>
>> What makes a real Raleigh Team bike is the SB serial number denoting
>> a SBDU Ilkeston-built frame. They made frames in 531 and 753 (these
>> were only available as framesets) and they have nothing in common with
>> the Worksop W-prefixed frames.
>
> Except, perhaps, that MOST ILKESTON BUILDERS CAME FROM CARLTON/WORKSOP.
>
> - Don "Carlton Forver" Gillies
> San Diego, CA, USA