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Lever on Iti town bike. Could the lever be a locking devise of some kind?? DUH! NO KEY! Cheers John Crump OldverypuzzeledBrit,Parker. Co USA

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Today's Topics:

1. Twin Cities, MN Bike Swap Sun Feb 8th (scott davis) 2. Re: [BOB] Annapolis events (Tom Martin) 3. German language post: Sorry! (tobit linke) 4. Looks like Pete Paine (Oldcyclebits) is closing shop!? (Dr. Paul Williams) 5. Legnano Restoration Questions (phuyghe@comcast.net) 6. 1940s Taurus city bike (Dale Brown) 7. I'm looking for a very experienced and meticulous wheel builder near Chicago--Please Help (Manfred Hegwer) 8. Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 74, Issue 1 (crumpy6204@aol.com)

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Message: 1 Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 06:48:46 -0800 From: scott davis <francopedia@yahoo.com> Subject: [CR] Twin Cities, MN Bike Swap Sun Feb 8th To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <517126.48088.qm@web53807.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

The Twin Cities bike swap is next Sunday at the Blaine Track. Here is the link for more details: http://twincitiesbikeswap.wordpress.com/

Scott Davis St. Anthony, MN USA sdbicyclegarage.com

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Message: 2 Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 10:49:02 -0500 From: Tom Martin <tom@voimports.com> Subject: Re: [CR] [BOB] Annapolis events To: Dave Johnston <jevad@att.net> Cc: internet-bob@bikelist.org, Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <b40b2a3a0902010749h272492afyb49f92948a89676e@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO -8859-1"

Hi David:

I don't know too much about the DC randonneurs. I don't have access to their list and there is nothing on their site on this ride. It's an unofficial social ride I think. A DCR member contacted me a few months ago to arrange a weekend trip to Velo Orange as we are normally closed on Saturday and Sunday. They plan to be there between 11 and 1pm on saturday Feb 7.

The Annpolis Pillage is an impromptu (and hopefully annual) ride hastily organized by some DC messenger/bike polo/ bike activist types. I know less about this ride as it has never happened before, and do not know what to expect. We meet 7pm at the Ramshead Tavern basement on West St in Annapolis. I've met and corresponded with a few of the Pillagers through Velo Orange and some random events I've been to in the last couple months.

I'm posting this to the ibob and CR lists as it may be helpful if others are interested.

Best,

Tom Martin

On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Dave Johnston <jevad@att.net> wrote:
> Can I get more info on these two events?
>
> -David Johnston
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [BOB] Westminster MD swap Feb 8. <
> http://search.bikelist.org/query.asp?SearchString=%22Westminster+MD+swap+Feb+8%2E%22&SearchPrefix=%40msgsubject&SortBy=MsgDate%5Ba%5D
> >
>
> That's going to be a busy weekend. The DC randonneurs will be making a
> stopover at Velo Orange HQ Saturday Feb 7, weather permitting. And there's
> the 'Annapolis Pillage', a nocturnal cyclo-exploration of Naptown and
> Eastport starting at 7pm that same night, also weather permitting.
>
> Tom Martin
> Annapolis MD USA
> ____________________
>
>
>

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Message: 3 Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 15:54:50 +0000 Fro m: tobit linke <tobitlinke@hotmail.com> Subject: [CR] German language post: Sorry! To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <BAY114-W1495696BE2F79B91BBF1EDCEC40@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

I guess I caused confusion with the German language post: It is the proof that not only old people can have problems using the intern et. The post was an email message to an ebay seller of a non-bike related item , that i accidentally sent as a reply to the list. The contents are distantly related to the ebay issues discussed here at tim es, but it was definetely not intended for the list!

otherwise it would have been signed off thus:

Tobit Linke, Dortmund, Germany

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Message: 4 Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 11:07:17 -0500 From: "Dr. Paul Williams" <castell5@sympatico.ca> Subject: [CR] Looks like Pete Paine (Oldcyclebits) is closing shop!? To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP31998EC5336E5641E963DEE4C40@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Say it ain't so! I have just seen this on EBay - looks like Pete Paine (Oldcyclebits) is closing up shop and offering the whole package, lock-stock-and-barrel, of everything he has in his parts collection in one lot. Have to wonder where this lot might end up!? Although pricey, might be a tremendous investment for someone - I hope it doesn't end up completely out of circulation. Pete has been a great supplier and a gent to deal with over the years. His knowledge of GB parts has been of tremendous value.

http://tinyurl.com/d6dzb7

Paul Williams, Ottawa, ON, Canada

Paul B. Williams, BAH (Laurier), MPhil (Cardiff, Wales), PhD (Queen's) Dept. of Geography and Environmental Studies, Carleton University, castell5@sympatico.ca paul_williams@carleton.ca

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Message: 5 Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:58:25 +0000 From: <phuyghe@comcast.net> Subject: [CR] Legnano Restoration Questions To: CR classic rendevous list <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Cc: phuyghe@comcast.net Message-ID: <1916761497.1329491233507505627.JavaMail.root@sz0120a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

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Hello Fellow List Members,

I am a relative newbie to the list and I am not the most techno savvy person so please bear with me.

I am trying to learn more about a Legnano pista frame and fork that I have enclosed the following pictures .

http://picasaweb.google.com/philiphuyghe/NEWLEGNANOPISTAALBUM?authkey=-kbZWg6plbs&feat=directlink

The serial number on the bottom bracket reads 6 1 3 0 R

The frame has pista geometry and both a fork brake mounting hole and a rear a brake bridge !

I am looking for help in identifying the Model Name and the Year this may have been built . Based on the lack of a metal head badge and the seat binder bolt location my best guess is in the late sixties ?

Can anyone on the list help me specify the year based on the serial number ?

I did some research in the archives and there was some discussion about the same model that was on ebay about a year ago . That bike was the only other have example of this style I have ever seen. Has anyone ever seen this Model or know more about it ?

My history with this bike goes back to when I was starting to race at the age of twelve back in 1972 at the velodrome in Detroit . I didn't have a bike to race on and was riding a borrowed bike that was too small for me. Lucky for me a very kind hearted Belgian bike supporter ( I am Belgian as well and was riding for the Belgian " Cadieux Bicycle Club " that is still going strong tod ay ! ) was watching and offered up this frame and fork for me to ride. The old Belgian let me buy it at a very low price even for that era. He knew we didn't have alot of money .

I will never forget that incredibly kind act of that old Belgian gentleman and I remember him and that kind spirit every time I think of that bike !

I have tried to promote racing / cycling especially for juniors and young riders as a way to continue that spirit as a way to pay respect to the old Belgian and the sport ever since.

Now I am trying to restore this frame and I would like to get the expert opinions of the framebuilders / painters / restorers on this vastly knowledgeable list. I would like to know if this frame should be painted due to the rust on the down tube, bottom bracket, and other areas ? I am concerned due to the thin walls of the Reynolds 531 tubing that this will cause major damage soon. Also I am debating if I should do a rechrome on the fork , head tube lugs , and rear drop outs due to some wear or should I leave that as a sign of patina. I don't want to over restore but I don't want to paint it and then realize I should have done it before I got it painted.

I would appreciate any suggestions and opinions on this as I am rather overwhelmed by sentiment to get this restoration right the first time!

I am going to use the original headset ( Campy NR Pista ) and upgrade the Crankset to Campy NR 151 bcd 1/8 reinforced chainring from the old heavy steel Stronglight pista crankset that was on it.

Everything else will be Campy NR Pista as well . I am going to use the original Fiame red label ( oval stickers ) 36 h rims with NR high flange Pista hubs. I have not decided on what tubulars to use, any suggestions that are resonable priced ?

I will use two different set ups for the handlebar stem combos. One will be the original Cinelli stem ( as pictured ) that came with the bike when I got it and a Cinelli pista steel handlebar and the other set up will be a ttt record stem with a criteri um handlebar that I used to race with because it fit me better. I will do the same dual set up with seatpost and seat . One seat / post combo will be Cinelli ( Unicantor seat w/ Campy Seat Post) the other will be a ttt seat and post. I have used both set ups over the years and thought both would be true to the bikes heritage and would create a different look by easily swapping out the parts.

Thank you ahead of time for any help you can offer ,

Philip Huyghe Rochester , Michigan USA Owner of Vintage Legnano, Gios Torino, Peugeot, Eddy Merckx ...ect.

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Message: 6 Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 12:04:57 -0500 From: Dale Brown <oroboyz@aol.com> Subject: [CR] 1940s Taurus city bike To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <8CB52A6584783CF-AD4-151A@mblk-d44.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Steven:

Thanks for showing us this. What a cool bike...(I wish the pics were bigger so we could see more detail..)

Question: Do you know the function of that little lever which can be seen built in along side the upper head set?

Dale Brown Greensboro, North Carolina USA

-----Original Message----- From: Steven Maasland <themaaslands@comcast.net> To: CR <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Sent: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 8:05 pm Subject: [CR] Neat city bike from the 40's sells at just over $1350

An auction ended earlier today on Italian ebay for a cool city bike.

http://cgi.ebay.it/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270333633854

This particular bike has the cotterless cranks and the fully internal front brake, but does not have the fully internal rear brake. There are in fact some Taurus bikes where the brake calipers are fully ensconced in the fork blades and chainstays. This one also does not have the alloy rims found on many. This explains why it sold for only 1060 euros, so about $1350. This is very cheap, as the nicer Taurus bikes, with these features regularly sell for over 2000 euros when traded between collectors in Italy.

Steven Maasland Moorestown, NJ USA

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Message: 7 Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 11:19:11 -0600 From: Manfred Hegwer <manfredhegwer@hotmail.com> Subject: [CR] I'm looking for a very experienced and meticulous wheel builder near Chicago--Please Help To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <COL114-W20ACA311A376A248A28A86B2C40@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"

The subject line says it all. This is not an exotic set up. Record hubs , SSC rims 14/15/14g spokes three cross. However, I want all of the li ttle details--pulling spokes are inbound, rim decals readable from the dr ive side, hub logo visible through the valve stem hole etc. I'd like to keep this local if possible to avoid shipping costs but if I cannot find so meone here I would be willing to ship.Thanks,Manfred HegwerLincolnshire , IL _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Hotmail?:?more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_expl ore_012009

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Message: 8 Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 12:31:44 -0500 From: <crumpy6204@aol.com> Subject: Re: [CR] Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 74, Issue 1 To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <8CB52AA15FE903A-828-2455@WEBMAIL-MY19.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=" us-ascii"

NEW. Schwinn Paramount bike.Bicycling Dec 2008.(win One!)?KOF? Looks pretty neat to me.$7k value 953 tubes. Nervex etc. top of?seat stays looks interesting. BUT Shimano equip? Any comments from you die hard Schwinn Paramount owners. Cheers John Crump OldwifehasaSchwinnfromthe50sBrit, Parker. Co USA

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Today's Topics:

1. Paramount A685, eBay 150320188264 (Harvey Sachs) 2. German Translation (LouDeeter@aol.com) 3. Re: Paramount A685, eBay 150320188264 (P J Rutledge) 4. Neat city bike from the 40's sells at just over $1350 (Steven Maasland) 5. Have fun identifying another set of mystery British forks! (Dr. Paul Williams) 6. Westminster MD swap Feb 8. (Tom Martin) 7. bikes for sale (joe englert) 8. Bob Jackson (mark) 9. Pic of the Day - ?quipe Espagne 1949 (Aldo Ross) 10. Road trips. Total list offer. Thanks! (corpuz family) 11. End of the line for production lugged steel? (Harvey Sachs) 12. Julian Barrendero-A great but little known Spanish champion (gholl@optonline.net) 13. Re: Stop, Swap and Save (Wayne Bingham) 14. New Gillott pics and hot rods (Mark Stevens)

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Message: 1 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 19:40:25 -0500 From: Harvey Sachs <hmsachs@verizon.net> Subject : [CR] Paramount A685, eBay 150320188264 To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, <sheldon_family@verizon.net>, <prutledge1@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4984EF79.3000409@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed

Many of you will remember the recent eBay posting of this Paramount from the late 1930s. It was a "buy-it-now," and I can't find on the eBay completed listings any more. Pete Rutledge outed this bike's sale: <snip> "Nice orange bike,...It has a little more chrome than most '38/39 Paramounts--head tube and all lugs, fork tips, and track ends. Based on previous pictures that I have of this bike, hubs appear to small flange Schwinn Superior variety."

Ray Sheldon, the new owner, also lives in NoVa, and brought it by today. You know, maybe it would try mating with my '38, and we'd get valuable progeny...

It is really nice, but many features are not like anything I've seen before. Everything except the chain and the axle adjusters seems to be original. I think that Pete's right that it has the Superior hubs, but, unlike other Superior hubs I've seen, it takes regular (British) track cogs and lockrings. It also came with a pair of Paramount "telephone dial" hubs as spares, but one of them has a Superior axle set (as does one of mine) instead of the "vacuum fitted" cones with double lock rings. Tough luck, eh? The saddle even looks original, and has the proper oval Brooks badge on the flaps. If the paint is not original, then it is pretty old...sure looks original to me, and the decal looked right, too.

Ray's a recovering bike racer and a Paramount fan, and maybe we can have an area for older Paramounts (and Superiors) at Cirque this year. There are a number in the area: Larry Black, Pete Rutledge, mine, and who knows what else!

harvey sachs mcLean va

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Message: 2 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 19:46:18 -0500 From: <LouDeeter@aol.com> Subject: [CR] German Translation To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message- ID: <c0e.43b221c1.36b64ada@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"

If I have translated the below post correctly, I believe he is saying that postage from Germany to the U.S. isn't worth it. :) Lou Deeter, Orlando FL USA

tobitlinke@hotmail.com writes:


>
> Ich hatte am Mittwoch eigentlich schon gesagt,
> dass ich mir schon einen neuen Kalernder gekauft hatte,
> und nachdem Ihrer nicht im Kasten lag,
> habe ich auch angefangen meine Termine darein zu ?bertragen.
> Na ja.
> Gan z verstehe ich das nicht, dass Sie wegen 1,50 die Sie noch kriegen
> wenn Sie ein zweites mal Porto zahlen m?ssen,
> mein Angebot zur ?bernahme des ersten Portos ausgeschlagen haben.
> Am Ende verdient da ja nur die Post.
> Das Verkaufen eines Kalenders im Februar d?rfte sich nicht gross lohnen.
>

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Message: 3 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 19:52:13 -0500 From: P J Rutledge <prutledge1@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [CR] Paramount A685, eBay 150320188264 To: <hsachs@alumni.rice.edu>, Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, <sheldon_family@verizon.net> Message-ID: <9E85A184B3794FF2BB1F75888ECCCF6C@TOSHIBA2006> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response

I like Harvey's suggestion to group early Schwinn Paramounts and Superiors at Cirque. I would show up with two in tow.

I'm looking forward to seeing Ray's new acquisition, too.

Pete Rutledge
Woodbridge, VA, USA


----- Original Message -----
From: Harvey Sachs
To: Classic Rendezvous


<sheldon_family@verizon.net>; <prutledge1@comcast.net> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 7:40 PM Subject: Paramount A685, eBay 150320188264


> Many of you will remember the recent eBay posting of this Paramount from
> the late 1930s. It was a "buy-it-now," and I can't find on the eBay
> completed listings any more. Pete Rutledge outed this bike's sale:
> <snip>
> "Nice orange bike,...It has a little more chrome than most '38/39
> Paramounts--head tube and all lugs, fork tips, and track ends. Based on
> previous pictures that I have of this bike, hubs appear to small flange
> Schwinn Superior variety."
>
> Ray Sheldon, the new owner, also live s in NoVa, and brought it by today.
> You know, maybe it would try mating with my '38, and we'd get valuable
> progeny...
>
> It is really nice, but many features are not like anything I've seen
> before. Everything except the chain and the axle adjusters seems to be
> original. I think that Pete's right that it has the Superior hubs, but,
> unlike other Superior hubs I've seen, it takes regular (British) track
> cogs and lockrings. It also came with a pair of Paramount "telephone dial"
> hubs as spares, but one of them has a Superior axle set (as does one of
> mine) instead of the "vacuum fitted" cones with double lock rings. Tough
> luck, eh? The saddle even looks original, and has the proper oval Brooks
> badge on the flaps. If the paint is not original, then it is pretty
> old...sure looks original to me, and the decal looked right, too.
>
> Ray's a recovering bike racer and a Paramount fan, and maybe we can have
> an area for older Paramounts (and Superiors) at Cirque this year. There
> are a number in the area: Larry Black, Pete Rutledge, mine, and who knows
> what else!
>
> harvey sachs
> mcLean va

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Message: 4 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 20:05:20 -0500 From: Steven Maasland <themaaslands@comcast.net> Subject: [CR] Neat city bike from the 40's sells at just over $1350 To: CR <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <5044AB4F6C5D4789997549316C2D1C85@ToshibaLaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

An auction ended earlier today on Italian ebay for a cool city bike.

http://cgi.ebay.it/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270333633854

This particular bike has the cotterless cranks and the fully internal front brake, but does not have the fully internal rear brake. There are in fact some Taurus bikes where the brake calipers are fully ensconced in the fork blades and chainstays. This one also does not have the alloy rims found on many. This explains why it sold for only 1060 euros, so about $1350. This is very cheap, as the nicer Taurus bikes, w ith these features regularly sell for over 2000 euros when traded between collectors in Italy.

Steven Maasland Moorestown, NJ USA

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Message: 5 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 20:31:45 -0500 From: "Dr. Paul Williams" <castell5@sympatico.ca> Subject: [CR] Have fun identifying another set of mystery British forks! To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP7121743A7A9B4D9739A7A7E4C40@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

As part of an interaction with a very friendly EBay seller for a headset for the 1950 Raleigh Clubman I recently bought from Nelson Miller, I enquired - partly in jest - whether he had a suitable set of forks for the frame. He wrote back to say that he had Raleigh forks from a later date and not in 27", but that he did have a rather nice orphan British set from what he believed to be a 60s frameset. He also thought them to be Reynolds. He was happy to send them to me for the cost of postage. I eagerly took him up on the deal and received them this past week. To my delight, they are a rather nice set - with quite fancy lugwork and a rather interesting spur on the dropouts. I have posted pictures on Wooljersey and would love to know if anyone can identify the maker!

http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/castell5/fork/

They have been stripped of paint and the lampbracket fitting has been

removed. I will probably still use them for the Clubman - unless I can get the real thing.

Paul Williams, Ottawa, ON, Canada

Paul B. Williams, BAH (Laurier), MPhil (Cardiff, Wales), PhD (Queen's) Dept. of Geography and Environmental Studies, Carleton University, castell5@sympatico.ca paul_williams@carleton.ca

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Message: 6 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 21:20:4 8 -0500 From: Tom Martin <tom@voimports.com> Subject: [CR] Westminster MD swap Feb 8. To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, <internet-bob@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <b40b2a3a0901311820o55d09d8cs6c10840f83266f14@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"

I'll be there, walking around, trying not to buy hyperbolic vintage NOS rare bits.

The Company Guy side of my head whispers: 'bring the Mel Pinto tandem'! Not sure if i want the responsibility or expense in hauling it there and back if it doesn't sell. It's on the VO site for $1400, down from $2500 a few months ago.

That's going to be a busy weekend. The DC randonneurs will be making a stopover at Velo Orange HQ Saturday Feb 7, weather permitting. And there's the 'Annapolis Pillage', a nocturnal cyclo-exploration of Naptown and Eastport starting at 7pm that same night, also weather permitting.

Tom Martin Annapolis MD USA

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Message: 7 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 18:54:38 -0800 From: joe englert <gladysenglert@sbcglobal.net> Subject: [CR] bikes for sale To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Cc: gladysenglert@sbcglobal.net Message-ID: <585323.23407.qm@web83915.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

hi, the paramount is-sorry gone- still have the medici 850.00 and the merckx 700.00 for sale. i need to get pics of medici but merckx pics on crai gslist san fran. and sacramento cheers joe englert 9163902287 Loomis, CA usa

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Message: 8 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 19:10:51 -0800 From: mark <mbarnes@eskimo.com> Subject: [CR] Bob Jackson To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <20090201031051.GB2639@salix> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

There's a very good-looking 61cm Bob Jackson fr om the mid-1970s for sale at the classifieds on the serotta.com forum:

http://www.serotta.com/forum/showthread.php?t=55056&highlight=jackson

You have to sign-up to see the pics, but they're worth the trouble. I'm biased because I ride a Bob Jackson from the same era, though the paint job on mine is in pretty bad condition compared to this one.

Mark Barnes Astoria, Oregon USA

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Message: 9 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 23:38:20 -0500 From: Aldo Ross <aldoross4@siscom.net> Subject: [CR] Pic of the Day - ?quipe Espagne 1949 To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <B23EA41F53B24FB88C2DECDBEF74C664@Newhouse> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original

Pic of the Day 1 February, 2009 ?quipe Espagne, 1949 Tour de France

(Speaking of Julian Berrendero...)

For the 1949 Tour de France the Spanish National Team included six riders, and one of them, Julian Berrendero, had also been a member of Spain's last Tour team in 1938. But after eleven years away from the Tour, Berrendero and his teammates were ill-prepared for constant attacks and high tempo of the French and Belgian riders during the opening stages. On the first day Bernardo Capo finished outside the time limit and was eliminated. Dalmacio Langarica, Emilio Rodriguez, and Bernard Ruiz abandoned on Stage 5 - the same day Berrendero finished outside the time limit and was also eliminated. And finally, on Stage 6, the sole remaining Spaniard Jose Serra climbed off his bike and abandoned just a few kilometers after the start.

1949 would be Berrendero's final racing season. The Spaniards would not field a team again until 1951, with Bernardo Ruiz dominating a mountainous stage 10 and finishing 9th overall in Paris.

http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/aldoross/pd/07+Espagne.JPG.html

Aldo Ross Middletown, Ohio, USA

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Message: 10 Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 01:50:20 -0800 From: corpuz family <corpuzfamily@hotmail.com> Subject: [CR] Road trips. Tot al list offer. Thanks! To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <BLU109-W49E44187A4BC6E2538A6B4D8C40@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"

Hi All: I want to thank those who did drop in for a visit with the in-house CR offer!

Here's the first of many offers to come to the list, other offers will fo llow! We're now in need of some space because lots of stuff will be arrivin g from EUROPE. I had a dream about the COCA COLA Christmas commercial with the convoy of trucks with lights, only it was the convoy of sea container s of bicycle parts!

1. MICHELIN all white 700X28 $ 12.00 ea / buy 2 get 1 for FREE! Bundle of> 10 tires $ 75.00 On hand 50 plus bundles. 2. MICHELIN 27 X 1 BIB SPORT $ 7.00 ea / 3 for $ 15.00

3,.WOLBER SL 19 cotton tires, $ 10.00 / buy 2 get 1 for free Bundle of 10 tires $ 65.00

4. WOLBER PISTE $ 30.00 ea.

5. WOLBER 24'' $ 10.00 ea.

6. WOLBER 26'' $ 10.00 ea.

7 WOLBER cyclocross TUBULAR for dry surface $ 15.00

8 WOLBER cyclocross TUBULAR knobby for muddy conditions, $ 20,- ea.

9. TANGE LEVIN old style Campagnolo copy FRENCH thread $ 17.00 Boxed.

10. GIPIEMME Cronosprint, Campagnolo copy ( BLACK alloy ) ITALIAN thread $ 22.00

11. GIPIEMME CRONOSPECIAL with fluted arms satin ( MEXICO FINISH ) 170 -> 4 2 / 52 $ 125.00 - boxed.

12. SR royal NON DRILLED 42t chainwheel bcd 144mm bcd 144mm $ 15.00 ea.

12A. SR ROYAL drilled 42t chainwheel bcd 144mm black $ 15.00 ea.

12B. SR ROYALdrilled 47t chainwheel bcd 144mm black $ 12.00 ea.

12C. SR ROYAL drilled 47t chainwheel bcd 144mm silver $ 15.00 ea.

12D. SR ROYAL drilled 54t chainwheel bcd 44mm black $ 12.00 ea.

12E. SR ROYAL 54t drilled chainwheel bcd 144mm silver. $ 15.00

12F. SUGINO ( SUNTOUR SUPERBE PRO ) 52t drilled and milled chainwheel bcd 1 44mm black $ 22.00 ea.

13 Campagnolo 43t NR chainwheel nos/nip $ 30.00 ea. 10 available.

14. RIGI road framesets, metalic red 59cm center to center with no front derailleur Paint will be good $ 175.00.

15. CHESINI X-UNO frame sets, 59cm to 62cm RED or BLUE with original chrom ed forks $ 225.00 ea. Contact for sizes and colors.

16. OLYMPIC alloy ( FRENCH thread ) $ 15.00 pp - boxed.

17. CINELLI old logo hairnets size 5 - $ 7.00 ea, 3 for $ 17.00.

18. REG chromed steel toe-clips NOS/NIP factory bagged $ 5.00 per pair

19A. REG chromed steel toe-clips - 5 pairs for $ 20.00

20. Yellow / mustard toe straps generic Italian made $ 5.00 pp

20A. Same as above 5 pairs for $ 20.00

20. COBRA all white water bottles $ 2.75 ea / 3 for $ 7.00

21. CLARKS Medium blue cable set, brake and lined gear cables, gear cab les will be with lining $ 7.00 per set NOS/NIP.

21A. CLARKS Medium blue cable set ( older type ribbed housing ) brake and l ined gear cables. $ 10.00 per set, NOS/NIP factory bulk packed.

22. WHITE cloth tape ( French made TRESSOREX ) $ 1.25 per roll.

22A. White cloth tape ( French made TRESSOREX ) 10 rolls for $ 10.00

23. ARIUS brown suede type saddles BROWN with bag loops $ 20.00 ea.

24. EUROPEAN SHORT VITTORE GIANNI with chamios wool / acrylic blend with bu tton rear pocket size 2 $ 15.00 ea.

25. EUROPEAN SHORT VITTORE GIANNI with chamios wool / acrylic blend with bu tton rear pocket size 3 $ 15.00 ea.

25. SUNTOUR gear bags / duffle $ 15.00 ea TOP QUALITY!

26. CYCLUS headset press $ 40.00 ea.

27. JPR / VARTA French made 2 c-cell light sets with adjustable beams, fr ont and rear red front / red rear lens covers $ 15.00 ea set.

27A. Same as above ( front orange / red rear lens covers ) $ 15.00 ea set.

27B. same as above ( front blue / red rear lens covers ) $15.00 ea set. Fac tory packaged.

27C. Same as above ( front green / red rear lens covers ) $ 15.00 ea set. F actory packaged. 28. SHIMANO 600EX ( 3rd generation # BR6208 ) brake caliper sets short reac h recessed mounting $ 30.00 per set.

29. SILVA toe-straps LAMINATED with buckle pads, STANLESS steel buckles R ED with black, NOS/NIB $ 17.00 each sets.

29A. Same as above ( RED and grey ) $ 17.00 each set.

29B. Same as above ( RED and ye llow ) $ 17.00 each set.

29C. Same as above ( BLACK and yellow ) $ 20.00 each set.

30. ALFREDO BINDA ( NON LAMINATED ) white/grey $ 20.00 pair, NOS/NIP.

Thanks!

BC Baron C...And the gang!! Cafe de Velo ( 805 ) 284-3936 840e Main street Santa Paula CA. 93060

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Message: 11 Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 06:17:26 -0500 From: Harvey Sachs <hmsachs@verizon.net> Subject: [CR] End of the line for production lugged steel? To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <498584C6.6000104@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed

I purchased a frameset Saturday that doesn't really qualify for our list, but I asked Dale for an exception becuase it is interesting. It's a Serotta "CSI" from the mid-1990s. It is perhaps the last time that a manufacturer invested in dedicated tubing and a special lug set for it. The seat tube is tapered and the bb end is slightly oval. The top tube is oval at one end, and the down tube is tapered. The lugs are really nice, although not thinned in the style of top custom US work. Yup, too many were produced to qualify as "keepers of the flame," but there is a lot that is traditional i n them: All steel, fully lugged, one-inch headset and 27.2 seat tube...

What's it remind me of? Well, think about the best production bikes of the 1970s, like the Paramount and the Raleigh Pro. To me, these Serottas honor that history: production bikes built and equipped to a very high standard. But, these late Serottas also remind me of the painstaking work that builders from Rene Herse to Bill Boston did to custom-fabricate lugs for non-standard applications like tandem bottom-bracket tubes.

It's a sid e path, and I don't think they detract from the recent dedicated lug sets for (slightly) oversized tubes from Richard (no relation) Sachs, Pacenti, and others.

These Serottas aren't particularly rare or expensive, may be worth having as the end of the line, and a nice way to play with other off-topic "stuff." But, since they are not customs and are designed for indexed gear trains, we must not continue this conversation in Dale's garage. I'd love to hear off-line from others (and would share such posts if asked), and appreciate Dale's courtesy in allowing this exception to our usual discipline.

harvey sachs mcLean va.

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Message: 12 Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 13:36:54 +0000 From: <gholl@optonline.net> Subject: [CR] Julian Barrendero-A great but little known Spanish champion To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <e4c39ce813b61.4985a576@optonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Aldo-Thanks for yet another very interesting image of champions past.

The great Spanish racer Julian Barrendero (1912-1995) known by his Spanish "mote" as "El negro con los ojos azules," at 37 years of age was probably past his prime in 1949. Both the Spanish Civil War and WWII had intervened and in sports the years pardon no one. However, after his great achievement as King of the Mountains in the 1936 Tour de France (Spain finished second in Team standings) he went on the be the first Spanish winner of the Vuelta in 1941, won again in 1942, and finished second in in 1943 and 1944.

George George Hollenberg MD CT, USA

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Message: 13 Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 09:00:27 -0500 From: Wayne Bingham <blkmktbks@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [CR] Stop, Swap and Save To: John Redman <johnredman@bikerider.com> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Message-ID: <73706f460902010600y110e01ecpba5993146f9c468f@mail.gmail.com
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I'll be at the Westminster Swap too. I actually booked three vendor spaces, since I have two local friends (one is the US Viner rep) looking to unload some more modern stuff. I'll have my usual array of vintage goodies, and will also be promoting the Cirque. Hope all the CR folks attending will stop by to say "hello"! -- Wayne Bingham Lovettsville, Virginia USA

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Message: 14 Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 14:00:08 +0000 From: Mark Stevens <mark@lentran.com> Subject: [CR] New Gillott pics and hot rods To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <03CCB01ED32D42A797C3D22CCB48DBEE@DJN4ZQ0J> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original

John, my bad, there should be a bell! I shall remedy that omission. Thanks to everybody else who has sent a positive response. There are more to come. I am expecting more information on an interesting lugless ''L'Atlantique'' frame. It must be late 1950's because it has a straight brake bridge. The unusual feature is a stiffening ring at top and bottom of the headtube. Gillotts always fitted a stiffening band on the seat tube top which blended into the clamping rings, the whole made up from tube and steel strip. I currently have the earliest ''L'Atlantique on the records from 1948. I suspect I will have the latest too if I manage to acquire this bike. It has been resprayed and refitted in 1978 with Nuovo Record derailleurs and hubs. Chainset is an Ofmega. Barelli pedals, Cinelli bars and stem with Campag seatpost and a B17. Rims look like Fiamme sprints. All in all a nice package and most of us would strip it, move the modern stuff onto a suitable frame and rebuild the Gillott with 50's kit. But I think I will leave it as it is. It represents an interesting 'Time-capsule'' giving us an insight into a keen cyclist who loved his bike and gave it a makeover late in their collective lives. A sort of mid life crisis perhaps? I have built a few 'Hot-r ods' but this one is original so to speak. Mark Stevens Evanton Scotland

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