Another design difference I've seen is that the 3Rensho-built Allezs appear to have very little fork offset, as can be seen in this photo and also displayed on the two bikes I own.
Drew Ellison Everett, Washington USA
On Feb 3, 2009, at 8:03 PM, jeffrey piwonka wrote:
> i think the 3rensho clue lies in the offset fork crown.
> http://www.wooljersey.com/
> IMG_2285.JPG.html
>
> Jeff Piwonka
> Austin, Texas USA
>
>
> --- On Tue, 2/3/09, Daniel Gonzalez <dannyg1@mail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Daniel Gonzalez <dannyg1@mail.com>
>> Subject: [CR] A question about the early '84 Specialized Allez SE
>> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>> Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2009, 9:38 PM
>> I've been doing off hand research on the Specialized
>> Allez and the 3Rensho
>> connection for a good while now and I've come up with a
>> new conundrum that
>> I'd love to have settled. Seems to me that the
>> introduction in 1984 of the
>> Allez SE describes a bike that perfectly resembles the
>> 3Rensho Katana serie
>> s. Here's a link to 4 pages of info on the 84 Allez SE:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/
>>
>> At this point in Specialized history, the Allez has been
>> confirmed by a num
>> ber of people whom worked at the factory as having been
>> made by 3Rensho. A
>> link to Randy Dugan's 3Rensho '84 Allez gallery:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/
>>
>> The Allez SE though, is widely thought to have been made by
>> Miyata under th
>> e tutelage of Jim Merz. In looking over the some photos of
>> my what I think
>> to be '85 Allez SE and comparing it to photos I've
>> found of a Katana on Woo
>> l Jersey, it seems to me that these frame are
>> extraordinarily close in bull
>> d. Enough so that I'm thinking it's obvious that
>> the 3Rensho connection had
>> n't ended the early 90's. Here's six photos for
>> direct comparison (the Shim
>> ano 6400 rear der on the Allez is later added):
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/
>> http://tinyurl.com/
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/
>> http://tinyurl.com/
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/
>> http://tinyurl.com/
>>
>> The brake bridge, Stay cap and seat lug treatments are very
>> different betwe
>> en these two frames, but all in all, I suspect they're
>> brothers. Thoughts?
>>
>> Danny Gonzalez
>> NY, NY
>> USA
>>
>>
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