Re: [CR] Rene Herse Ligtweight Record Bike

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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 17:58:05 -0800
From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <>
To: <>, Mitch Harris <>
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Subject: Re: [CR] Rene Herse Ligtweight Record Bike

Your logic escapes me. The last Traials were held in 1949. When the trials were being held, and several years after, components like the TA cyclotourist rings and Stronglight 49D cranks were made that were as light as much modern carbon stuff. So it appears the Trials had MAJOR influence on the componets being made when they were being held. Do they have influence today? Of course not. Nearly everyone who participated in the last Trials in 1949 is now dead, and few people in France and almost no one anywhere else has ever heard of the Technical Trials. Until Jan chronicled them, few people even on the CR list had heard of them. Hard to be influenced by history of which one is ignorant.


Jerry Moos
Big Spring, Texas, USA

--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Mitch Harris wrote:

> From: Mitch Harris <>

\r?\n> Subject: Re: [CR] Rene Herse Ligtweight Record Bike

\r?\n> To:

\r?\n> Cc:,

\r?\n> Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009, 7:02 PM

\r?\n> On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 11:30 AM,

\r?\n> <> wrote:


\r?\n> > Pick up an old set of Herse Cantilever brakes, or

\r?\n> consider the simple g

\r?\n> > ear changing mechanisms, and then grab a TA

\r?\n> Cyclotourist crank and compare

\r?\n> > its weight to a modern Carbon crank. The new stuff

\r?\n> doesn't come out l

\r?\n> > ooking so impressive anymore.

\r?\n> >


\r?\n> That's the part I don't get. We often talk about

\r?\n> the trials as

\r?\n> influential, but

\r?\n> where's the influence?


\r?\n> --Mitch Harris

\r?\n> Little Rock Canyon, Utah, USA