Re: [CR] On Topic Ti railed Ideale

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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:13:09 -0800
From: "Mark Ritz" <ritzmon@sbcglobal.net>
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Subject: Re: [CR] On Topic Ti railed Ideale


Jery Moos postulates: snip<  One wonders why the Ti Ideale is so little known today, and indeed I don't remember it getting a lot of notice In The Day.  Perhaps the tim e was simply not right, as the newer plastic saddles were in vogue, and tra ditional leather saddles were coming to be thought of a old fashioned, Ti r ails or not.  As we have seen from this past thread, a Ti railed leather saddle can be made about the same weight as a plastic saddle with steel rai ls, but not much lighter.  And I would imagine that, Ti still being prett y exotic in 1977, the Ti Ideale was quite expensive, probably several times more than a Cinelli Unicanitor of the same weight.  So maybe Brooks just waited until a market for leather saddles had been established again, this time more of a niche market, and one that they thought would support a hig h priced "luxury" product.> end snip

My guess is that the titanium available at the time (mostly CP or commercia lly pure) was not suitable for saddle undercarriages.  I remember a numbe r of early Ti and AL carriages breaking in the 70s.  Newer alloys of tita nium are much, much stronger than CP.  A simple case of innovation before its time.  Our industry is full of examples - anatomical saddles and ful l suspension, for example, were available before 1900, but had to wait to be re-introduced as "the latest innovation" when materials and constructio n methods caught up with ideas.  The ideas, in most cases, were not "stol en" so much as forgotten and re-discovered.  Remember the quote from awhi le ago that said (and I para-phrase) if steel didn't have such a long histo ry, it would be heralded as the new wonder material for bicycles.

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Mark Ritz
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