Help I hope someone can help me I have a lightweight bike frame but i do not know much about it, I know i t was purchased in the 50's from Denton Cycles in Newcastle Upon Tyne, En gland. The badge on the front says RT, and has scroll work around the joints on the bike A little bit of background, it was bought for my Uncle and then passed on to my Mother who then gave it to me when i was 14 yrs of age (now 47), or iginal color was brown with Denton decals which i took of and repainted (i was only 14 ), now bare metal (must be alloy ??) as it has sat in my gara ge for a year and has not rusted. If anybody can help with reserch with this that would be great.
Derek Robinson
Northallerton,North Yorkshire
England
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> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 23:03:18 -0800
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> 1. Re: Selling Woes... eBay vs. CR List...it's all the same to
> me! (globallyoff@s2ki.com)
> 2. WTT Crank Puller (wesoishi@aol.com)
> 3. Re: Ebay selling woes.... (L Travers)
> 4. Re: Selling Woes... eBay vs. CR List...it's all the same
> (Steve Birmingham)
> 5. Re: need source for long spokes (mrrabbit@mrrabbit.net)
> 6. Re: Selling Woes: this vs. that (Thomas)
> 7. Some interesting things on CL (velocipede@optimum.net)
> 8. Key "FOBS" (on topic) (Robert Clair)
> 9. Re: need source for long spokes (mark)
> 10. Re: need source for long spokes] (Thomas)
> 11. Re: SA & multiple chainrings & sunbeam wanted (Thomas)
> 12. Nice Pics On This Blog (devotion finesse)
> 13. WTB: 57cm 80's Roadie (devotion finesse)
> 14. Re: Key "FOBS" (on topic) (Phil Brown)
> 15. Re: need source for long spokes (M-gineering)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 18:45:59 -0600
> From: <globallyoff@s2ki.com>
> Subject: Re: [CR] Selling Woes... eBay vs. CR List...it's all the same
> to me!
> To: Dale Brown <oroboyz@aol.com>
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Message-ID: 60812.76.107.21.152.1235004359.squirrel@www.s2ki.com
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> I think the situation is a bit more complicated than just presentation.
I
> have for the time being quit selling items because it seems as if people
> just dont have as much disposable income as they did before the recession
.
> I remember bidding against the Japanese buyers back in 2001. Back then
> prices were higher on NOS Campy than they are now.
>
> It's a good time to buy, but not sell.......
>
> Keith Kessel
> Shreveport, La.
> USA
>
>
>
> On Wed, February 18, 2009 1:23 pm, Dale Brown wrote:
> >
>
> > <<...Bottom line, selling things can be very frustrating regardless o
f
> > the selling venue (e.g., eBay, CR list, retail bike shop, etc..
....). >>
> >
> > Indeed. So true, so true!
> >
> >
> > There are a few "musts" though if you want successful sales/auctions:
> > ?
> > 1.) Always include, in the most nauseating detail, every possibly a
spect
> > of goods you are selling. parts, teeth on cogs, make of everything
,
> > widths, length, yada yada...Of course, idiots will still ask ques
tions
> > that are plainly apparent in the auction description, but at least yo
u
> > can just tell them that. And it is a matter of record that you DID supp
ly
> > every possible piece of info.
> >
> > 2.) Clean and detail the darn bike/part! Don't put nasty greasy, dirt
y,
> > tatty and grungy stuff in pictures and expect any kind of respect! Geez
,
> > would you show your house with dirty underwear on the floor of the
> > bathroom? Laziness in preparation equals poor results in sales.
> >
> > 3.) Supply many many very good pictures of every nauseating detail, a
nd
> > both sides of same! Don't say 'pictures on request', just get them ou
t
> > there first so you don't have to answer more email.
> >
> > 4.) State your terms of sale, i.e., if you will OR WILL NOT sell pa
rts &
> > pieces, change things or whatever.? Be firm up frontand reduce silly
> > requests. ?
> > Now, if you don't do the above, you are going to be made miserable
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Dale Brown
> > cycles de ORO Bike Shop 1410 Mill Street
> > Greensboro, North Carolina 27408 USA
> > 336-274-5959
> > http://cyclesdeoro.com
> > http://www.classicrendezvous.com
> > http://www.carolinacup.com
> > http://www.greensborovelo.com
> > http://www.bikegso.org
> > http://nbda.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kevin Kruger <ktk1_7_0_2_8@yahoo.com>
> > To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org; crumpy6204@aol.com
> > Sent: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 1:42 pm
> > Subject: [CR] Selling Woes,,,,,eBay vs. CR List,,,it's
all the same to me!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > John,
> > While I share your frustrations on eBay selling, I must say that I ha
ve
> > exp erienced the same frustrations offering items to CR list members pr
ior
> > to l isting on eBay. For example, I offered a very nice bike to the l
ist
> > recently, received an i nterest from a a couple list members/lurkers
, and
> > after answering quite a f ew questions, was offered substantially $45
0
> > less for the bike!!!!? Now s ome of his questions were legitimate, bu
t
> > others were a bit ridiculous, as my tons of photos were self explanat
ory
> > as to the component group on the bi ke (that is unless you are vision
> > impaired).? I even offered to make simp le gearing ratio and wheel/rim
> > rebuild changes at no additional cost.? Am going to part this bike out
,
> > and await the stone throwers bashing me for d oing so. I have also had
list
> > members tell me they would take an item offered for sa le, only to ne
ver
> > be heard from again.? Assume I am not the only one to h ave experienced
> > this situation.? Granted, you can have the same thing hap pen to you
on
> > eBay, but in my personal case, the deadbeat buyer ratio is hi gher
on the
> > list versus eBay. As for eBay watchers, they have nothing to do with
the
> > saleability of your item,,,,trust me on that.? You can have a t
on of eBay
> > watchers, who simpl y are interested in seeing what your item sells o
r
> > doesn't sell for = I'm always prepared for the bottom feeders who wer
e
> > watching the item, only to make a low ball offer outside of the eBay
> > system (as recently experienced with a pair of AKRONT rims).? I also ha
ve
> > a NOS Cinelli 1R stem bolt for sale on eBay currently for a starting pr
ice
> > of $8.99 with FREE shipping, an d eleven (11) people are watching the
> > auction = now why would you watch s uch a cheap item if you were trul
y
> > interested in it and not simply place a bid?!?!?!? If an item fails to
> > sell the first time around, that is not an indicator of it being pric
ed
> > too high, as many times it sells for much mor e on a relist. Bottom l
ine,
> > selling things can be very frustrating regardless of the selli ng venue
> > (e.g., eBay, CR list, retail bike shop, etc......).
> > For what it's worth, or not worth!
> > Kevin Kruger = Grantville, PA
> > =0A=0A=0A
> >
> >
> > multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html ---
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:45:09 -0500
> From: <wesoishi@aol.com>
> Subject: [CR] WTT Crank Puller
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID: <8CB60427366E481-15D4-7F0@webmail-mx04.sysops.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I am looking for a Stronglight puller. I have a Campagnolo puller for tra
de.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Wes Oishi
> Los Angeles CA
>
> http://www.soundcyclesLA.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 18:53:07 -0600
> From: L Travers <lat7575@swbell.net>
> Subject: Re: [CR] Ebay selling woes....
> To: CR List <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID: <499CAD73.20008@swbell.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed
>
>
> A fairly recent experience with several CR
> listers. Offered some items at fair price,
> several listers agreed to purchase said items and
> would send funds. No funds received.
>
> I recently sold some of those same items on eBay.
> I got a substantial amount more than what I
> offered them to the list for.
>
> Too bad....several people missed out on bargains.
> There is something to be said for keeping ones word.
>
> --
> Lynn Travers
> Hazelwood, MO
> USA
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:22:07 -0500
> From: Steve Birmingham <sbirmingham@mindspring.com>
> Subject: Re: [CR] Selling Woes... eBay vs. CR List...it's all the same
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID: <01b801c99230$7b7bdb90$727392b0$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> You're assuming of course that the item being sold is actually worth
> putting some effort into. I'm currently selling a couple items I've
> described exactly that way on Ebay.
> 2 of them are stems, a kalloy and an SR. The SR is new with loads of
> shopwear,
> the Kalloy is used, only very lightly marked to show the use, but a w
orn
> surface
> just like the SR. I COULD spend an hour or so shining them up, but afte
r
> that, they
> would still be only (hopefully) $10 stems.
> The same goes for the NR rear derailler I have on Ebay. It need lots of
> work, but
> the difference between fixed up and as-is just isn't worth it. If it does
n't
> sell,
> I'll fix it up, but I've got lots of projects I'm working on and I'd ra
ther
> spend
> my time on those. If they were parts I thought would sell for a significa
nt
> amount more
> I would put the effort into getting them more presentable.
>
>
> Oh, the ebay #s are
> NR derailleur 350168180708
> Kalloy stem 350167850049
> SR stem 350167850038
>
> There's a few other on topic items, and more on the way as well.
>
> Steve Birmingham
> Lowell, Massachusetts
> USA
>
>
>
> From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org
> [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of Greg Thies
> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 2:06 PM
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR] Selling Woes... eBay vs. CR List...it's all the same
>
> Regarding item 2 in Dale's list of musts, I am amazed at the number of
> sellers who say things like "needs to be cleaned" or "should polish up
> nicely" It's worth the extra effort to present an item in its best light
,
> even if that means applying lots of elbow grease, unless you're selling
the
> dirty underwear off your bathroom floor (didn't check ebay for this but i
t's
> probably been listed). There's nothing quite like a set of polished Campy
> high flange hubs sitting on a royal blue velvet background to increase th
e
> eye candy factor!
>
> Greg Thies
> Vienna, Virginia
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 18:59:56 -0700
> From: <mrrabbit@mrrabbit.net>
> Subject: Re: [CR] need source for long spokes
> To: mark <mbarnes@eskimo.com>
> Cc: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Message-ID: 1235008796.499cbd1cbd85a@www.mrrabbit.net
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
>
> Just about every bicycle shop on this planet including my own wheel store
and
> future shops on Mars, etc...
>
> ...have 310mm spokes.
>
> Cause that's what they buy for use with spoke cutting machines.
>
> =8-)
>
> Have silver and black generics in 14g and 15g if you need 'em.
>
>
> Robert Shackelford
> San Jose, CA USA
>
> http://www.mrrabbit.net/
>
> =8-)
>
>
>
> Quoting mark <mbarnes@eskimo.com>:
>
> > Does anyone here know of a reliable source for long spokes? I need a
> > 308mm spoke to repair my front wheel (1970's Shimano low flange hub,
> > 27-inch Super Champion rim, 3 cross). My LBS doesn't have anything
> > this long, nor do any of my usual sources.
> >
> > I've never snapped a front spoke before -- are my 30+ year old spokes
> > going to start failing in large numbers?
> >
> > Mark Barnes
> > Astoria, Oregon, USA
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> >
> > --
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> > saved in a permanent database.
> >
>
>
>
>
> --
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> saved in a permanent database.
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 18:37:24 -0800
> From: Thomas <thomas@kokoPedli.com>
> Subject: Re: [CR] Selling Woes: this vs. that
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID: <499CC5E4.9000007@kokoPedli.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed
>
> >
> > The flip side of this is trying to keep people from ruining a component
or
> > misrepresenting it after they've done their poor "cleaning" and "detail
ing"
> > work... In most cases, I'd rather have used parts arrive dirty.
>
> Me too on this, several reasons.
>
> Thomas Seaman
>
> Portland, Oregon
> U.S. of A.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 02:45:52 +0000
> From: <velocipede@optimum.net>
> Subject: [CR] Some interesting things on CL
> To: "classicrendezvous@bikelist.org" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID: <f833c4a2cee1.499cc7e0@optonline.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Saw these on craigslist and think they may interest some folks on this li
st. I admit these are a bit unusual but well within the scope of this forum
.
>
> http://eugene.craigslist.org/
>
> http://eugene.craigslist.org/
>
>
> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/
>
>
> http://denver.craigslist.org/
>
>
> Ray Homiski
> Elizabeth, NJ USA
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:45:56 -0600
> From: Robert Clair <r.clair@cox.net>
> Subject: [CR] Key "FOBS" (on topic)
> To: CR List <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID: <7395BA7188E54895805EED16EA11105D@Leo>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=response
>
> ... just got an "open C" campy shift lever today. should work very well
> for this purpose in this day and time.
> ... have three others:
> ... a Davidson chromed seat stay cap (top eye, whatever). it's my mai
n
> user, so the chrome is getting a bit thin.
> ... a campy front dropout from i think nashbar (back in the day) which is
> also chromed but is really thin now since i used the heck out of it,
> ... and an ibis hand-job, also chromed, which is very good condition
, as i
> only use it as a safety-measure if i lock myself out.
>
> ... any other examples out there on bicycle-related key fob thingies ?
i
> know there are more modern ones out there ... i think sachs did one for
> awhile. but the ones i passed on also function as a bottle opener (like
> what current bicycle geek needs a beer opener when they can use their tee
th,
> or smash it aginst their empty brain pan ... just kiddin folks")
>
> robert clair
> alexandria, va 22308
> usa
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 18:48:21 -0800
> From: mark <mbarnes@eskimo.com>
> Subject: Re: [CR] need source for long spokes
> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID: <20090219024821.GA3158@salix>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Thanks for the spoke suggestions everyone. Most shops on the planet
> may have long spokes, but I called three (admittedly rural) shops and
> struck out. I'm making a trip to the BIG CITY this weekend, and I'm
> hoping for better luck there. The worst case is I order a box of 100
> DTSwiss Champions and respoke the whole wheel -- which might not be a
> bad idea. Thanks again.
>
> Mark Barnes
> Astoria, Oregon USA
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:22:30 -0800
> From: Thomas <thomas@kokoPedli.com>
> Subject: Re: [CR] need source for long spokes]
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID: <499CD076.5080600@kokoPedli.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed
>
>
> > Does anyone here know of a reliable source for long spokes? I need a
> > 308mm spoke to repair my front wheel... Mark Barnes
> > Astoria, Oregon, USA
> >
>
> here is a link to a place in Ashland Oregon that says they carry that
> length...
> http://www.biketoolsetc.com/
> and they also cut to length for what seems to me to be a reasonable
> price, here is that link...
> http://www.biketoolsetc.com/
>
>
> I hope this helps some people ;-)
>
> Thomas Seaman
> Portland, Oregon
> U.S. of A.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:23:24 -0800
> From: Thomas <thomas@kokoPedli.com>
> Subject: Re: [CR] SA & multiple chainrings & sunbeam wanted
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID: <499CD0AC.4030203@kokoPedli.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed
>
>
> Greetings, catching up on old e-mails I noticed someone asking about
> SA hubs with multiple front rings...
> This set-up was one of my 2 favorite rides in the early '80s. I had a
> triple front with a SA3 rear wheel and a limit-screw locked-down rear
> deraileur. A wonderful, wide-range 9spd. (I often thought of (but
> never did it) putting 2 cogs on the SA hub itself as the shoulder of the
> cogs bent to the side (I think several people on this list have done that
.)
> This was the only way I could find to get a gear as high as I wanted
> (I like to push hard and slower on the pedals than many people). My
> other favorite ride of that era was a nice basic lugged touring frame
> with wide 26" tires on a single speed with back pedal brake
> ("primitive" "cross bike"). This has evolved into now using an old
> Sachs 2spd from an old Moulton as my rear wheel, with a modern version
> of the Sunbeam 2spd front crank that had a planetary gear set-up where
> the spider of a more common style crank would be. The sunbeam gave a
> 1.3333 overdrive (the modern version I use is Swiss made by schlumpf and
> has a 1.65X overdrive, but also available with 2.5X overdrive or 2.5X
> "under"drive). I love the gears with no cables.
> If anyone has a usable Sunbeam 2spd crank, or knows where I could get
> one, I would greatly appreciate knowing about it.
> Tailwinds to you all
> Thomas Seaman
> Portland, Oregon
> U.S. of A.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:32:41 -0500
> From: devotion finesse <devotion_finesse@hotmail.com>
> Subject: [CR] Nice Pics On This Blog
> To: CR discussion list <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID: <COL113-W45F70AD3FCA2E3EB5C34BDF5B20@phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
> I just stumbled upon the following blog:http://gentullio.blogspot.com/It
is
> FULL of hi-res images of on-topic bicycles, frames and componentry. B
e
> sure to check the earlier pages!Matthew BowneBrooklyn, New York
> _________________________________________________________________
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:36:33 -0500
> From: devotion finesse <devotion_finesse@hotmail.com>
> Subject: [CR] WTB: 57cm 80's Roadie
> To: CR discussion list <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID: <COL113-W193A8B0AA2021ED0BAF728F5B20@phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
> I am trying to help a buddy of mine make his return to road cycling. We
ar
> e on the lookout for a complete bike, frameset or partial bike in the 5
7c
> m range. 80's and Italian is preferred but not required.Please contact o
ff
> -list if you are looking to clear some space!
> Matthew BowneBrooklyn, New York
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 21:21:40 -0800
> From: Phil Brown <philcycles@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [CR] Key "FOBS" (on topic)
> To: CR List <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID: <26cffaf4243cf9177b8d6f6771c4de2a@sbcglobal.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; format=flowed
>
>
> On Feb 18, 2009, at 6:45 PM, Robert Clair wrote:
>
> > any other examples out there on bicycle-related key fob thingies ?
>
> Like many builders I have a Campy front dropout with eyelet filed into
> a bottle opener. I drilled the eyelet out oh those many years ago to
> make it easier to get it on the key ring and now wish I hadn't. Who
> knew dropouts with eyelets would be so scarce?
> Phil Brown
> Remorseful in Berkeley, Calif.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 08:06:57 +0100
> From: M-gineering <info@m-gineering.nl>
> Subject: Re: [CR] need source for long spokes
> Cc: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Message-ID: <499D0511.2020403@m-gineering.nl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed
>
> mrrabbit@mrrabbit.net wrote:
> > Just about every bicycle shop on this planet including my own wheel sto
re and
> > future shops on Mars, etc...
> >
> > ...have 310mm spokes.
> >
> > Cause that's what they buy for use with spoke cutting machines.
> >
>
>
> I think that your geography - not unusual with usasians ;) - is a bit
> lacking. I checked three wholesalers in the Netherlands and Germany
> (on the same planet as per our education system) and they do not list
> spokes over 302mm in SS. So it is highly unlikely shops will have spokes
> for an obsolete wheelsize which never was very popular.
>
> Got the spokemachine though, and found some 310's in Belgium i could
> order;)
>
> --
> mvg
>
> Marten Gerritsen
> Kiel Windeweer
> Netherlands
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
>
>
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