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Re: Specialized Allez in American Flyer

I have a restored "American Flyer with the full factory Suntour Superbe Pro Components and with the Saturae Anodized HC 20 Rims. Probably the only difference with my bike and the others out there is that I on a regular basis do battle in fast packs (23+) with this bike and enjoy every min. of it, especially the double takes. Garth helped me restore it and can attest to the speed of this bike. If anybody wants to see pics, send me your e-mail and I will.

Rob Weiser Miami Fl.

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Specialized Allez in American Flyer (Brook Watts) 2. de rosa mtb (Matteo Brandi) 3. Fwd: FS: 50/47 right Crankarm, Campagnolo 1960s (loudeeter@aol.com) 4. Historic bike, but who's ? (Matteo Brandi) 5. Holdsworth question (Tom Hayes) 6. for sale 1950's campy gran sport group (Rnitro1969@aol.com) 7. For Sale: NOS Bob Jackson Legend frame set 53 x 53 cm (John Waner) 8. For Sale: NOS Bob Jackson Legend frame set 53 x 53 cm (John Waner) 9. Vintage Guerciotti Columbus SL (lalito E) 10. Re: CR, Info sought for Shogun Touring mod. 2000, OT (dicwrijr@aol.com) 11. CR Dinner at NAHBS (Jim Lingenfelter AIA) 12. Ebay outing - Merckx, Cambio corsa, flip-flop hubs (Dustin Nordhus) 13. Re: Holdsworth question (neithernors) 14. WTB: TA 3-pin chainring bolt (Neal Lerner) 15. Re: Shogun info sought, OT (Cycleguyjack66@aol.com) 16. Re: Specialized Allez in American Flyer(S) (Rich Pinder)

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Message: 1 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 13:16:09 -0700 From: Brook Watts <brook.watts@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [CR] Specialized Allez in American Flyer To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <5F58A65B-A54D-4345-9D5F-4821BE7E86D9@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; delsp=yes; format=flowed

To fill in some gaps on Jerry's comments about American Flyers....

The movie was filmed in 1984 on location in St Louis and the Coors Race as well as the Warners Studio in LA.

Brook Watts Longmont Colorado USA

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Message: 2 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 21:21:06 +0100 From: Matteo Brandi <bees.bfg@tin.it> Subject: [CR] de rosa mtb To: <philcycles@sbcglobal.net>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <8013550B-00C5-4745-B12B-5C0CBA9AE706@tin.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; delsp=yes; format=flowed

Peter et ALL

I clearly remember,years ago,a MASI mtb frame that was for sale years ago on ebay.Maybe ,Bob Hovey,got some pix or remember that.

Teo Brandi Firenze Italy

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Message: 3 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 15:26:03 -0500 From: <loudeeter@aol.com> Subject: [CR] Fwd: FS: 50/47 right Crankarm, Campagnolo 1960s To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <8CB6342EB11268A-1660-1564@WEBMAIL-DY38.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Darn, someone suggested I remeasure as the lip at the pedal hole indicates 1 51 bcd. ?They were right! ? Sorry. ?Lou Deeter, Orlando FL US A

-----Original Message----- From: loudeeter@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Sent: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 4:43 pm Subject: FS: 50/47 right Crankarm, Campagnolo 1960s

I bought this crankarm, right only, from Matteo. ?Got it today all the way from Italy. ?You could smell the Florentine air when the heavily ta ped box was opened. ?Given the talk about 50 rings, I was pleasantly su rprised to see a 1960s vintage 50/47 ring set on this one. ?The outer 5 0 ring is very scratched, but the teeth are good, some wear, but good for se veral thousand more miles as a user. ?The 47 has barely been used. ??This crankarm had been repaired at the outer bb opening, so a wall hanger , which is why it is so inexpensive. 144 bcd. ?This set has the lip on the outside of the pedal hole. ?170 length. ?$35 shipped within U. S. ?Lou Deeter, Orlando FL USA

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Message: 4 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 21:27:45 +0100 From: Matteo Brandi <bees.bfg@tin.it> Subject: [CR] Historic bike, but who's ? To: <nicbordeaux@yahoo.fr>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <AFE604B3-86B2-45BD-BAB5-4E9F0AA6FAB6@tin.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; delsp=yes; format=flowed

Nic

Make sure that you have a triple copy of the legal act that states that it was Robic's bike(greg Hollenberg could get mad at you!).Also,a sample of RObic's dna(check for saliva/sweat on the top tube)and ,most of all,the whole CR list approval,otherwise,you are stuck in cheeseland with a fake.......and you dont really want Jan Heine to read your post with a raised eyebrow.....(YO Jan/Greg,im just messin around! :)

Teo Brandi FIrenze Italy

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Message: 5 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 12:44:13 -0800 From: Tom Hayes <hayesbikes@gmail.com> Subject: [CR] Holdsworth question To: Classic Rendevous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <779093150902221244v38596a84ka9b3e38f8ec8755f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"

The following Ebay auction has a blue and orange Holdsworth Professional for sale:

http://ebay.com/<blah> 280313763876

I always liked that color combination; they also had jerseys in that color that were pretty cool. I do, however, have a question about that particular auction, and the question is only for clarification or a point of reference: did those particular frames have a chromed fork as shown in the auction? I vaguely remember them having the six inches of chrome on the front fork and the remaining portion of the fork being orange, but then there's a lot of things I vaguely remember that did not exist. Mark Twain has a line where he states something to effect, that he has arrived at the age where his clearest memories are of events that never happened. I am getting there.

Thanks.

Tom Hayes Chagrin Falls, Ohio USA

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Message: 6 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 15:45:22 -0500 From: <Rnitro1969@aol.com> Subject: [CR] for sale 1950's campy gran sport group To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <c86.48671e19.36d31362@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

greetings

rear derailleur with worn jockey wheels front derailleur open c doen tube shifters and down tube clamp.

the deralleur body chrome is pretty good but does have some chrome aging. the front derailleur is real decent $150.00 shipped u.s.

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Message: 7 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 12:52:06 -0800 From: John Waner <x76911s@socal.rr.com> Subject: [CR] For Sale: NOS Bob Jackson Legend frame set 53 x 53 cm To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <2A3125E1-5EF2-4811-A6AC-CCA32C11B69A@socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; format=flowed; delsp=yes

As stated I am offering a NOS Bob Jackson frames set for sale to the CR list prior to taking it to ebay. Obviously I would prefer to sell this to a list member and avoid listing it on ebay, just less of a hassle. As to the frame set, I am not sure what year it was built, i bought it off a e-bay seller in England approximately 2 years ago and it has never been built, never had wheels, brakes or any components mounted on it. I have provided a link to some pictures I posted on Wooljersey, be sure to look at them in the larger resolution, you won't find any sign use. The frame came with a Campy Chorus headset, I believe this is how it came from the Bob Jackson shop

NOS Bob Jackson Frame For Sale

Price: $ 1,100 shipped in the US (lower 48) included size: 53 x 53 cm cc 130mm rear spacing Serial # T116

Any questions feel free to ask, thanks for looking

John Waner Huntington Beach, CA. 92647 John Waner x76911s@socal.rr.com

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Message: 8 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 13:00:45 -0800 From: John Waner <x76911s@socal.rr.com> Subject: [CR] For Sale: NOS Bob Jackson Legend frame set 53 x 53 cm To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <E7D025D8-AA2E-415A-8047-8CA5FB5052BD@socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; format=flowed; delsp=yes

Here is the link to the bike pictures

http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/John-Waner-Bikes/Bob+Jackson/

not sure why it is not showing as a link, just copy and past to your browser and it should work

John Waner Huntington Beach, Ca. 92647 John Waner x76911s@socal.rr.com

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Message: 9 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 13:14:38 -0800 From: lalito E <espi27@yahoo.com> Subject: [CR] Vintage Guerciotti Columbus SL To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <772249.68431.qm@web51010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I was wondering if anyone can help me find out what year My bike is. What I've figured out and I could be wrong is that it's a Paulo Guerciotti Columbus SL frame. I know it has Campagnolo components but I don't know what group set. All it says is, "Campagnolo Brev. Int". I've also been told it's a 58 cm. It's a beautiful bike. I was also wondering what the best way to advertise for it was. It's much too big for me and I think it would be a shame to run a classic frame to the ground. I would appreciate any help. I have attached a picture if it will help.

Lito Espinosa, RN, BSN North Canton OH 330-605-4808 http://photos.yahoo.com/espi27 http://photos.yahoo.com/lito2775

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Message: 10 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:17:07 -0500 From: <dicwrijr@aol.com> Subject: Re: [CR] CR, Info sought for Shogun Touring mod. 2000, OT To: <viciouscycles@excite.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <8CB634A0D0B8BB1-F5C-1F06@WEBMAIL-DZ04.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed

If I recall, Shogun's were imported by Seattle Bicycle Supply in the early 80's. They might be able to help if they are still in business.

Dick Wright Berwyn, Pa.

-----Original Message----- From: david <viciouscycles@excite.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Sent: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 10:52 am Subject: [CR] CR, Info sought for Shogun Touring mod. 2000, OT

I am looking for some information on a couple Shogun Touring bikes, Model 20 00, built aprox. '82. They are lugged butted steel, nicely finished, Factor y racks/fenders, Deore drivetrain with Dyna-Drive pedal system. I was told these were a "flash in the pan" and were not imported very long. Is there a webpage , of list member, with Shogun info?

Thanks, David Cowie Oakland, Oregon USA third rock from heat.

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Message: 11 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:24:02 -0500 From: Jim Lingenfelter AIA <jimlingenfelter@five2fivedesign.com> Subject: [CR] CR Dinner at NAHBS To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <015a01c99533$e4060400$ac120c00$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Thanks to everyone responding I will be getting directions out later today. Here is the list as it stands. Dale will be doing a little quiz thing with alleged door prizes. Maybe a sacrifice to the god Vulcan is in order?

Ed Granger + Lisa Eckhardt Dale Brown Tom Hayes Sarahgibson+crew (look out Indianapolis?) Mike Self Wayne Bingham Chuck Lathe (Coho Cycles) Steve Neago Gabriel +Rita Romeu marie autrey+guest Ron + Sallie Gurth

Jim Lingenfelter, AIA

Five2Five Design Studio, LLC Architecture & Planning

1522 W Morris Street Suite 201 Indianapolis, IN 46221 317 374 9068 317 636 3130f jimlingenfelter@five2fivedesign.com

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Message: 12 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 22:33:46 +0100 From: Dustin Nordhus <lilo_77@gmx.net> Subject: [CR] Ebay outing - Merckx, Cambio corsa, flip-flop hubs To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <20090222213346.22470@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Howdy, I just listed following items on ebay:

54cm Eddy Merckx Super Corsa frameset (ebay # 330309900824 ) Cambio Corsa gear with Hubs and d-o ( 330309902066 ) Campy flip-flop hubs ( 330309903884 )

My seller Id is: cicli-berlinetta

If you have any questions, juat ask.

mfg, dustin

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Message: 13 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 13:37:24 -0800 From: neithernors <neithernors@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [CR] Holdsworth question To: Tom Hayes <hayesbikes@gmail.com> Cc: Classic Rendevous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <49A1C594.4070902@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed

Tom,

Yes, they came with a full chrome fork. That one is correct and perfect. That's the factory frame (Holdsworthy company). I asked for one of those in 1970 but by chance my friend got for me instead an unused 1969 team frame, at a discount, one of six I believe, made at the "shop" (Holdsworth company, a separate company). It has none of the chrome but has an Italia decal and a few other differences. I think by 1970 the team were told to ride the factory made Professionals since Holdsworthy was in fact their sponsor, not Holdsworth.

Paul Arbez Vancouver, Canada

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Message: 14 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:39:47 -0500 From: Neal Lerner <nlerner@MIT.EDU> Subject: [CR] WTB: TA 3-pin chainring bolt To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <7D1ECA1E-DC2F-4950-A4FF-F57CBF559AB9@mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; delsp=yes; format=flowed

Folks, somewhere on my basement floor is one chainring bolt for a TA 3-pin (pro 3 attaches) crankarm. The diameter of this bolt is narrower than standard coupling bolts, so I can't swap in just anything, and the black hole that is my basement floor seems to be defeating me. So, if anyone has such a bit that they'd be willing to sell me, I'd appreciate it.

Neal Lerner Brookline, MA USA

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Message: 15 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 17:26:50 -0500 From: <Cycleguyjack66@aol.com> Subject: Re: [CR] Shogun info sought, OT To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <c3e.42b4a7a0.36d32b2a@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

I sold these bikes back in the day, and Shogun was brought in a NewYork/NJ importer. Shogun was a private label bike built mostly by Miyata, Giant and Fuji HI factories. They where very good bikes in their day, better than most domestic offerings, and certainly heralded the demise of the likes of Ross, Schwinn, ect.

The bike you mention was pretty cool, coming with front and rear racks, 600EX DD cranks, Deore Der, Antler XT brakes IIRQ. Cool EX hubs and maybe a

factory BB mounted generator (not 100% there, we may have added it) JIS headset, SG forks and stays DB main tubes IIRC. I did a custom build for a customer who was an MIT guy who knew Gary Klein with that bike as a starting basis, we brazed and re-welded DA cassettes for

better gearing with less overlap. Rebuild with Mavic rims using the cool 600EX hubs that have the spoke offset, and other mods, pretty high tech back in the day.

Stuart Goldsmith was the New England salesman during that period for. I believe he now works for Ingersol/Rand (Kyrptonite locks) and may be able to

answer your inquiry in more detail. Shogun was around for 6-7 years, and faded away....being a mostly east-coast bike.

Jack Stanwood Boston, Ma. USA

In a message dated 2/22/2009 2:48:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, classicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org writes:

Shogun info sought, OT- Shogun Touring bikes, Model 20 00, built aprox. '82. They are lugged butted steel, nicely finished, Factor y racks/fenders, Deore drivetrain with Dyna-Drive pedal system. I was told

these were a "flash in the pan" and were not imported very long. Is there a

webpage , of list member with Shogun info?

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Message: 16 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 14:47:46 -0800 From: Rich Pinder <rpinder@usc.edu> Subject: Re: [CR] Specialized Allez in American Flyer(S) To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <49A1D612.7000503@usc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed

I just NetFlixxed this film, and am eager to see it. btw... the movie is titled 'American Flyers' (american flyer is a story about S gauge miniture train layouts)

Rich Pinder Van Nuys, CA

Jerome & Elizabeth Moos wrote:
> We had a recent thread discussing the classic or at least KOF lugged steel Specialized Allez frame, some of which were built by Yoshi Konno of 3Rensho, others by Miyata, with some suggestion a few might have been built by American custom builders.
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> Last night, I was surprised to see American Flyer on cable TV, and watched it, for the first time in several years. I had forgotten that the stars of this piece rode all-red Specialized Allez, lugged steel. Anyone know whether these were Konno-made, Miyata-made or something else? Is anyone aware of the actual bikes used in this film being on display somewhere? For that matter, anyone know what became of the CA Masi from Breaking Away? Was more than one Masi used in that film?
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> I believe this film was made in 1982 which would make the bikes in it actually On Topic. The reason I say that is that much of the film used footage from the Coors Classic and I know that filming for some movie was being done at the 1982 Coors Classic, which I attended.
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> BTW, the one thing the film was a bit weak on was sense of color, as most of the bikes in the film were red. Kevin Costner and his co-star were in Shaver Sport kit on red Allez, the chief rival and his 7-11 teammates were on red Murrays, and the Soviet team were on red Colnagos. However, this may be accurate, as I know both 7-11 and the Soviets were indeed in the 1982 Coors classic, quite probably on those bikes, and while I don't specifically remember whether Shaver Sport was in that race, they well may have been and may have been on red Allez.
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> Regards,
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> Jerry Moos
> Big Spring, Texas, USA
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