Hello Kurt,
In regards to a late production Cinelli Mod B.... I have a 80s Cinelli c
atalog/flyer or brochure which depicts a flying "C" road frame with a flat
fork crown. The catalog is buried in the garage, so I'm going by memory.
The pic shows only the front of the frame. Other than that, I have never
seen a Mod B later than mid 70s vintage. Regards, David Martinez Fremont Ca
US of A
From: Kurt Sperry <haxixe@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [CR] Cinell To: Cc: "CR List" <ClassicRendezvous@bikelist.org> Date: Monday, February 23, 2009, 11:31 AM
2009/2/23 dave martinez <dmart84815@yahoo.com>:
> Hello Kurt,
> I am not absolutely sure that this frame is a Cinelli. I have compared th
e
> frame building characteristics with several from the mid 50s to the early
> 70s. The side profile of the headtube lug shore does not follow the line
of
> any of the Cinellis that I've seen. Its a subtle difference, but it becom
es
> very apparent when you study the profiles carefully. The bottom
> bracket bridge is fillet brazed to the stays. I have never seen a Cinelli
> with this treatment- the bridge has always been supported. The headbadge
> looks like a repo to my eyes. The forkcrown race lacks a U shape releif
> found on virtually all Cinellis. And finally I see no serial number. I kn
ow
> that most Cinellis have serial numbers - I know they make no sense, bu
t all
> Cinellis that I have seen have something down there. In the very early da
ys
> it was just the frame size, later it was Italian lottery numbers (ha!).
> Question-- what is the seatpost diameter?? Yes, Cinelli did make
some
> dogs, I owned one. Its not an issue when you're riding it though.
> Regards, David Martinez, Fremont Ca US of A "taking care of my sick son
> today".
> --- On Sun, 2/22/09, Kurt Sperry <haxixe@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Kurt Sperry <haxixe@gmail.com>
> Subject: [CR] Cinelli?
> To:
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 5:23 PM
>
> http://s3.photobucket.com/
>
> Item number: 150327167727
>
> Any chance at all this is what it purports to be? So many details
> look wrong: Fork crown, seat cluster, drop-out and fork end brazing,
> general quality of construction. It says it's a repaint.
>
> Did Cinelli quality ever actually plunge to this dismal level at any
> time in the '70s? Or any other time?
>
>
> Kurt Sperry
> Bellingham, Washington
> USA
> _______________________________________________
>
I've looked at all my Cinelli photos and this one just doesn't seem to add up. The fork crown and stay bridges as you say seem wrong and different from any Mod. B (or SC), the attachment of the chainstays and forks to the dropouts is again different than any Cinelli Mod. B or SC I've ever seen, the lack of a serial number, the holes in the BB shell, the profile of the headlugs. And of course the frame is claimed to be '70s (and the BO cable guides atop the BB shell would indicate it likely is) yet I've never seen nor heard of a Cinelli Mod. B made later than the '60s.
Kurt Sperry
Bellingham, Washington
USA