Re: [CR] Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 75, Issue 9

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From: "gary higgitt" <garyhiggitt@hotmail.co.uk>
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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 13:35:30 +0000
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> 1. Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 75, Issue 8 (Otis)
> 2. Looks like alex c does it again ... (Robert Clair)
> 3. Help identify unmarked Italian (?) frame (Otis)
> 4. Re: NAHBS Aftermath (Howard Darr)
> 5. Re: My pics from NAHBS (G L Romeu)
> 6. Re: David Tesch built John Howard with all Campagnolo parts
> 57cm on SF Craigslist March 09 (bruce thomson)
> 7. Chris Kvale TT Bike on Craigslist - 52cm ST (Marc St. Martin)
> 8. Re: David Tesch built John Howard (Don Martinich)
> 9. 1964 time trial photos-SF Bay Area (Don Martinich)
> 10. NAHBS winners (EPL)
> 11. Meteor by Carleton (John Siemsen)
> 12. KOF builder's help cool shop that loves the classics,
> celebrate 25yrs of bliss... (Peter Weigle)
> 13. Re: Chris Kvale TT Bike on Craigslist - 52cm ST (Aldo Ross)
> 14. GEMINI Frames and Henri Depierre and Ocana (brad stockwell)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 16:31:02 -0800
> From: Otis <otis@otisrecords.com>
> Subject: Re: [CR] Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 75, Issue 8
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID: <AD9C3BA1011B4868A1137CD1A95513D1@JonPC>
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> I bought this as a complete bike off French ebay with a very cheap buy-it
> now because it looked interesting and I had not had my morning coffee yet . I
> assumed it was a 60's Italian frame that was updated with all the braze-o n's
> at some point? But maybe it's an early 70's bike and the B/O's are origin al?
> I would really like to figure out what/who the marque or builder it is, as
> it seems worthy of a restoration (although maybe I'm being too optomistic ?).
>
> Details:
>
> "RE" stamped in the side of the seat-collar. "4" stamped on the bottom of
> the BB shell. "XX" scribed inside the BB shell. Same "XX" scribed and "4"
> stamped on steerer.
>
> Head-tube drilled for a headbadge with 2 horizontal holes.
>
> Wooden dowel in steerer.
>
> Drain plug on BB shell.
>
> Italian threaded steerer and BB. 26.4 seat-post.
>
> Weight with NR headset is 6lbs. 6oz.
>
> Campagnolo Drop-outs front and back.
>
> 120mm rear spacing. 100cm wheelbase, 42cm chain-stay. 54c-t x 54 c-c
>
> Chrome showing on D/O's and on head-tube. I can't find traces of any
> paint different then what's on it. The inside of the BB shell and steerer
> are both showing the blue that's on the outside.
>
> Here's a mess of photos:
>
> http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/blueframe-fullframe.jpg
>
> http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/blueframe-reartriangle.jpg
>
> http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/blueframe-headcrown.jpg
>
> http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/blueframe-forkcrownbottom.jpg
>
> http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/blueframe-frontdrop.jpg
>
> http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/blueframe-frontdropinside.jpg
>
> http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/blueframe-bbshellback.jpg
>
> http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/blueframe-bbshellbottom.jpg
>
> http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/blueframe-bbshellfront.jpg
>
> http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/blueframe-bbshellside.jpg
>
> http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/blueframe-brakebridgeback.jpg
>
> http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/blueframe-brakebridgetop.jpg
>
> http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/blueframe-headlugback.jpg
>
> http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/blueframe-headlugside.jpg
>
> http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/blueframe-headtubefront.jpg
>
> http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/blueframe-reardrop.jpg
>
> http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/blueframe-reardropinside.jpg
>
> http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/blueframe-seatcollarback.jpg
>
> http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/blueframe-seatcollarfront.jpg
>
> http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/blueframe-seatcollarright.jpg
>
> Thanks, Jon Williams
> Grants Pass OR USA
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 18:33:35 -0600
> From: Robert Clair <r.clair@cox.net>
> Subject: [CR] Looks like alex c does it again ...
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
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> ... i don't think this was there last night ? and i recall alex wasn't
> doing the front pockets anymore either. a neat bit at:
>
> https://www.vintagevelos.com/jer-cilo1.html
>
> robert clair
> alexandria, va 22308
> usa
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 16:56:39 -0800
> From: Otis <otis@otisrecords.com>
> Subject: [CR] Help identify unmarked Italian (?) frame
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID: <8378719B54AE4CA2B0A9BD4522DD9773@JonPC>
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>
> (sorry for the re-post I forgot to include the proper subject line)
>
> I bought this as a complete bike off French ebay with a very cheap buy-it
> now because it looked interesting and I had not had my morning coffee yet . I
> assumed it was a 60's Italian frame that was updated with all the braze-o n's
> at some point? But maybe it's an early 70's bike and the B/O's are origin al?
> I would really like to figure out what/who the marque or builder it is, as
> it seems worthy of a restoration (although maybe I'm being too optomistic ?).
>
> Details:
>
> "RE" stamped in the side of the seat-collar. "4" stamped on the bottom of
> the BB shell. "XX" scribed inside the BB shell. Same "XX" scribed and "4"
> stamped on steerer.
>
> Head-tube drilled for a headbadge with 2 horizontal holes.
>
> Wooden dowel in steerer.
>
> Drain plug on BB shell.
>
> Italian threaded steerer and BB. 26.4 seat-post.
>
> Weight with NR headset is 6lbs. 6oz.
>
> Campagnolo Drop-outs front and back.
>
> 120mm rear spacing. 100cm wheelbase, 42cm chain-stay. 54c-t x 54 c-c
>
> Chrome showing on D/O's and on head-tube. I can't find traces of any
> paint different then what's on it. The inside of the BB shell and steerer
> are both showing the blue that's on the outside.
>
> Here's a mess of photos:
>
> http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/blueframe-fullframe.jpg
>
> http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/blueframe-reartriangle.jpg
>
> http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/blueframe-headcrown.jpg
>
> http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/blueframe-forkcrownbottom.jpg
>
> http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/blueframe-frontdrop.jpg
>
> http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/blueframe-frontdropinside.jpg
>
> http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/blueframe-bbshellback.jpg
>
> http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/blueframe-bbshellbottom.jpg
>
> http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/blueframe-bbshellfront.jpg
>
> http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/blueframe-bbshellside.jpg
>
> http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/blueframe-brakebridgeback.jpg
>
> http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/blueframe-brakebridgetop.jpg
>
> http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/blueframe-headlugback.jpg
>
> http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/blueframe-headlugside.jpg
>
> http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/blueframe-headtubefront.jpg
>
> http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/blueframe-reardrop.jpg
>
> http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/blueframe-reardropinside.jpg
>
> http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/blueframe-seatcollarback.jpg
>
> http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/blueframe-seatcollarfront.jpg
>
> http://www.otis.g2solutions.biz/ebayimages/blueframe-seatcollarright.jpg
>
> Thanks, Jon Williams
> Grants Pass OR USA
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:57:42 -0500
> From: Howard Darr <hdarr@embarqmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [CR] NAHBS Aftermath
> To: 'Tom Martin' <tom@voimports.com>, 'Classic Rendezvous'
> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID: <ADB56DFCC9CA4DE394DE0B69343C196E@UserPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
>
> Snip
>
> These stores are where The Kids go for their fixxies and the grumpy old g uys
> get their Raleigh International repaired with appropriate parts by someon e
> knowledgeable.
>
> Sigh! In my last place of work I wrenched part time at a shop. Here no
> shop around and several of my friends have urged me to open a repair shop a
> few hours a week. Smell of grease and good people. Makes me think.
>
>
> Howard Darr
>
> Kinsman Oh USA
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 20:13:22 -0500
> From: G L Romeu <romeug@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [CR] My pics from NAHBS
> Cc: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID: <49ADD5B2.4040509@comcast.net>
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>
> and there were not only bikes at Indy NAHBS:
> http://picasaweb.google.com/romeug/NAHBS2009
>
> gabriel l romeu
> chesterfield nj usa
>
>
> --
> G L Romeu
> ? http://studiofurniture.com
> ? http://lessplusmore.com
> ? http://journalphoto.org
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:33:28 -0800
> From: bruce thomson <masi3v4me@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [CR] David Tesch built John Howard with all Campagnolo
> parts 57cm on SF Craigslist March 09
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, Charles Nighbor
> <cnighbor1@comcast.net>
> Message-ID: <470459.25328.qm@web51603.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Charlie:? Tell us what city the Craigslist ad is in and we can search it
> out from there.? Thanks, Bruce
>
> Bruce Thomson Spokane WA 99204
> (509) 747 4314
> Masi3v4me@yahoo.com????? rapidfire10ring@hotmail.com
> ???
>
>
> --- On Tue, 3/3/09, Charles Nighbor <cnighbor1@comcast.net> wrote:
> From: Charles Nighbor <cnighbor1@comcast.net>
> Subject: [CR] David Tesch built John Howard with all Campagnolo parts 57c m
> on SF Craigslist March 09
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 4:12 PM
>
> ''Very Rare Vintage John Howard with all Campagnolo parts - $575 (Sac.)
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -------
> Reply to: sale-1057655513@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]
> Date: 2009-03-02, 4:50PM PST
>
>
>
> Very rare road bike in very good condition. LOW miles. 57cm. SACRIFICE
> $575 ''
> Not seller
> Charles Nighbor
> Walnut Creek, CA
> USA
> PS I can help ship
>
> _______________________________________________
> =0A=0A=0A
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:52:50 -0800
> From: "Marc St. Martin" <marc.stmartin@earthlink.net>
> Subject: [CR] Chris Kvale TT Bike on Craigslist - 52cm ST
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID:
> <4693611.1236131571230.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.ne t>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Hey Listmembers,
>
> Look at this beauty on San Francisco Craigslist:
>
> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bik/1058781407.html
>
> Marc St. Martin
> Livermore, California
> USA
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 18:00:12 -0800
> From: Don Martinich <dmartinich@att.net>
> Subject: Re: [CR] David Tesch built John Howard
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID: <B59E2FD6-093E-40A3-BDE6-CE43FBD504BE@att.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; format=flowed; de lsp=yes
>
> I have been seeing this as on the Sacramento CL for weeks and weeks.
> The price has come down from $750. There have been a couple of
> comments on CL about the seller which implied he was a very difficult
> person to deal but gave no detail. I am just curious as to why it's
> been on there so long. The economy?
>
> Don Martinich
> Davis, CA
>
> On Mar 3, 2009, at 4:24 PM, <classicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org
> <classicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org
> > wrote:
> >
> > From: Charles Nighbor <cnighbor1@comcast.net>
> > Date: March 3, 2009 4:12:42 PM PST
> > To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > Subject: [CR] David Tesch built John Howard with all Campagnolo
> > parts 57cm on SF Craigslist March 09
> >
> >
> > ''Very Rare Vintage John Howard with all Campagnolo parts - $575
> > (Sac.)
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- --
> > -------
> > Reply to: sale-1057655513@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to
> > ads?]
> > Date: 2009-03-02, 4:50PM PST
> >
> >
> >
> > Very rare road bike in very good condition. LOW miles. 57cm. SACRIFICE
> > $575 ''
> > Not seller
> > Charles Nighbor
> > Walnut Creek, CA
> > USA
> > PS I can help ship
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 18:07:10 -0800
> From: Don Martinich <dmartinich@att.net>
> Subject: [CR] 1964 time trial photos-SF Bay Area
> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID: <ACC50436-3C0F-4BCD-9E16-58EA10A0E59C@att.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; format=flowed; de lsp=yes
>
>
> just put up a web page featuring a time trial put on in by my old
> club and that I photographed in 1964. It's at: http://www.velovecchio.com /sangregtt/sgtt.html
>
> Wear wool, ride steel!
>
> Don "Dutch" Martinich
> Davis CA
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 18:35:02 -0800
> From: EPL <lowiemanuel@yahoo.ca>
> Subject: [CR] NAHBS winners
> To: "classicrendezvous@bikelist.org" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID: <186580.38231.qm@web50510.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
> Delighted to see that Dave Wages at Ellis Cycles won for best lugged fram e and that Noah Rosen at Velocolour won for best paint job.
>
> Dave built the Cantiflex Ephgrave and Noah painted it.
>
> http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/manolito/Ephgrave/
>
>
> Emanuel Lowi
> Montreal, Quebec
>
>
> __________________________________________________________________
> Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo ! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 18:56:44 -0800
> From: John Siemsen <velorosso@flash.net>
> Subject: [CR] Meteor by Carleton
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID: <594276.75730.qm@web81101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I've been lurking on the list on and off since moving to Portland in 2006 . Hard to keep up, thought you'd like to see the Meteor.
>
> Found this Meteor from an original owner who says he bought the bike in 1 967, and his father soon bought an second one in blue. Parts seem right , squarish Campagnolo crank arms. Patent rear derailleur may be 68 or 69.
>
> Archive post from Ted Ernst suggested Harding's Westwood shop as the orig in, and sure enough, there is the sticker! A friend recalls Meteor as a 3-speed English brand.
>
> Owner believes this to be Raleigh made, but I only see the Carleton and "Franco-Suisse" transfers. The bike is in quite good original condition wi th interesting pieces including NITOR pillar/saddle ensemble and old engrav ed Weinmann 999 centerpulls with the pretty, curvy straddle cable holder.
>
> Here is a link to photos taken by the original owner, who is a pro-phot ographer:
>
> http://www.integratedimages.com/meteor022509
>
> Any more history on this - just a shop imported deal?
>
> John Siemsen
> Portland, Oregon, USA
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 22:02:07 -0500
> From: Peter Weigle <jpweigle@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: [CR] KOF builder's help cool shop that loves the classics,
> celebrate 25yrs of bliss...
> To: "Classicrendezvous@Bikelist.Org" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID: <008d01c99c75$9eec1af0$210110ac@PETERTR0JQH071>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> John Drake's shop, Bike Works in Toledo Ohio celebrates 25 yrs of the
> bicycle.
> Mark Nobilette's, Kent Erickson's, and JPW's owned by John were on di splay
> when you walked into the event.
> Two john's Podcast interviewed the three of us. Some interesting KOF
> comments in the cast.
> This is the poster of the event,
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/49353569@N00/3326657449/
> The podcast link is below the poster...
>
> John Drake has been to the Cirque a time or two, he also advertizes his
> roasted coffee in Bicycle Quarterly. John showed me his bike collection ,,,
> trust me,, he gets it! Nice stable John.
>
> We all had a nice evening, thanks again.
>
> peter weigle
> lyme, ct.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 22:02:43 -0500
> From: Aldo Ross <aldoross4@siscom.net>
> Subject: Re: [CR] Chris Kvale TT Bike on Craigslist - 52cm ST
> To: "Marc St. Martin" <marc.stmartin@earthlink.net>,
> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID: <979517EEED7447D289CE691C0B3E4316@Newhouse>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Ad says Chris Kvale is no longer building??? Please say it ain't so!
>
> Aldo Ross
> Middletown, Ohio, USA
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marc St. Martin" <marc.stmartin@earthlink.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:52 PM
> Subject: [CR] Chris Kvale TT Bike on Craigslist - 52cm ST
>
>
> > Hey Listmembers,
> >
> > Look at this beauty on San Francisco Craigslist:
> >
> > http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bik/1058781407.html
> >
> > Marc St. Martin
> > Livermore, California
> > USA
> > _______________________________________________
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 20:16:53 -0800
> From: brad stockwell <brdstockwell@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [CR] GEMINI Frames and Henri Depierre and Ocana
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID: <715906.69029.qm@web55502.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> On the topic of Gemini frames and the connection to Ocana's tour-winning 19
> 73 Motobecane team bike:? there is?an explicit comparison?amid my vas
> t shrine to Zeus on?WoolJersey:
> ?
> Here are two zoomed-in images?of Ocana's 1973 head-tube:
> (http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/bc_stockwell_bikestuff/zeus/1973zeus /7
> 3tour_Ocana_Motobecane_fork.jpg.html)
> (http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/bc_stockwell_bikestuff/zeus/1973zeus /7
> 3tour_Ocana_Motobecane_lugs.jpg.html)
> ?
> ?
> And?next to those are pics of?a Gemini that was for sale on Ebay a few
> years ago:
> (http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/bc_stockwell_bikestuff/zeus/1973zeus /g
> emini_headtube.jpg.html)
> (http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/bc_stockwell_bikestuff/zeus/1973zeus /g
> emini_fork_crown.jpg.html)
> ?
> One?tie-in to Zeus is that in late '74 Ocana joined the newly-formed Zeus
> -SuperSER team and in the ensuing era Zeus issued frames which had a hole p
> attern in the headlugs and?forks which?although much?less refined?s
> eems to?recall the?Gemini styling.
> (http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/bc_stockwell_bikestuff/zeus/1977zeus /7
> 7flyer_bike_00premium.jpg.html)
> ?
> Ocana?(according to?Ron Kitching) used a Zeus freewheel for the '73 tou
> r, see below:
> (http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/bc_stockwell_bikestuff/zeus/1973zeus /7
> 3tour_ad_Zeus6sp_Ocana.jpg.html)
> Well it's clear enough that he went for?the light stuff.? In one of the
> ?other detail pics in the album?you can see that he has hacked the whee
> l guides off his campy brake shoes?and that the rest of the brake hardwar
> e looks worked over.??Of course?he?also?deployed?aggressive dri
> lling patterns on the brake levers and chainwheels -- when I spoke with d ri
> llium guy Frank Spivey he enthusiastically mentioned Ocana's bike.? ?
> ?
> Brad Stockwell
> Palo Alto CA USA
> ?
> ?
> =0A=0A=0A
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
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