Re: [CR] Baylis "Bates Volante" inspired copy?

(Example: Framebuilding:Tubing)

From: <"brianbaylis@juno.com">
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 00:11:53 +0000
To: <ktk1_7_0_2_8@yahoo.com>
Cc: sterling@tns.net, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: Re: [CR] Baylis "Bates Volante" inspired copy?


Kevin,

In this case Sterling provided me with the lugs which I believe were pur chased from Martin Coopland or Ray Etherton. The lugs are stamped from H ayden blanks and finished by hand as far as I know. There are a number o f lug patterns that used to be available from England that used the same blank lugs to start with. From what I understand, the lug blanks are in short supply or no longer available. I just happen to have a box full o f the blank lugs that I purchased a while ago. ;-)

I don't know if there were more photos than just the two I saw that Ster ling posted, but there needs to be some closer detail shots to see the r eal effect. I did modify the lugs slightly from the stampings, so they a ren't quite exactly like the ones used on the Bates frames. The crown is a Pacenti IC crown, slightly altered. The Bates you showed has round fo rk blades. Sterling's frame has continental oval road fork blades.

Thanks for the photos of your Bates. That's a nice bike and Ron Cooper h as been one of my favorite British builders since the early 70's.

Brian Baylis
La Mesa, CA
San Diego Custom Bicycle Show 2010


---------- Original Message ----------
From: Kevin Kruger
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org, sterling@tns.net
Subject: [CR] Baylis "Bates Volante" inspired copy?
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:25:32 -0700


Hi Sterling,

Your Baylis looks very nice!  Were you seeking a "Bates" style replica , a s your frame looks like a copy of the lugwork on my Ron Cooper built "Ba tes Volante" purchased from England.

Here's the address for photos of my contemporary Bates posted on Wool Je rse y:

http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/Kevin-Krugers-Bikes/BATESCOOPER/

Looks like the same lugs, fork crown, and brake bridge treatment sans th e 5 31 Cantiflex tubing and Diadrant fork blades.

Regards,
Kevin Kruger - Grantville, PA