Re: [CR] Fiamme Stem For Holdsworth Pro.

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From: "Peter & Monique" <pjrogers@rogers.com>
To: Hugh Thornton <hughwthornton@yahoo.co.uk>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
References: <770797.37747.qm@web25905.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:38:51 -0400
Subject: Re: [CR] Fiamme Stem For Holdsworth Pro.


Hi Hugh, Many thanks for your very informative email. I have secured the Fiamme bars and I'll get to work on the other items. I'll probably put a Brooks Professional saddle on it.

I remember that wheels with 28 spokes were regarded as borderline for general road cycling, so your bike proves that this is a durable set-up.

Does your bike have chromed forks? I assume that your frame was built in the shop, rather in the factory, like mine.

Anyway, many thanks again and I will use your email as a guide in the moths ahead.

The weather is rainy here and cool. We are expecting a warm spell towards the end of the week.

All the best, Peter Rogers

Barrie, Ontario

----- Original Message ----- From: Hugh Thornton To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org ; Peter & Monique Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:23 AM Subject: Re: [CR] Fiamme Stem For Holdsworth Pro.

My Holdsworth Professional was a 1969 team bike, used as a back-up in the 1970 season and, according to the team mechanic who sold it to me, fitted with original equipment other than chainwheel (later Campy SR) and brake levers (later Campy NR), so the equipment should be generally representative of what would be fitted to a 1970 team spec bike.

Basically everything is Campagnolo Nuovo Record that can be. The only "specifics" being that the seat post is 27.2mm diameter and the hubs are large flange, drilled 28 holes front and rear. Heavier riders may have used more spokes - perhaps other owners can comment. Other riders may have had a preference for small flange hubs - you could maybe determine that from old magazine photos. The rims are 28 hole Super Champion Competition. On my bike they have clearly been relaced, so I wouldn't know if the 15 gauge stainless steel spokes are to original spec. The pedals are standard steel Strada and the Christophe Special toeclips may or may not be original.

The stem is indeed Fiamme, so are the bars on my bike, but I was told by said mechanic that team riders could use whatever bars they liked because they would likely not be identifiable in photos. The saddle is one of those awful Cinelli Unicanitor things -- plastic covered with a bit of foam and a bit of black leather - they all look really tatty and are not comfortable for me (but I'm sure somebody likes them).

Great riding weather here in the UK. I presume Barrie is still under 2 metres of snow.

Hugh Thornton Cheshire, England

--- On Mon, 20/4/09, Peter & Monique <pjrogers@rogers.com> wrote:

From: Peter & Monique <pjrogers@rogers.com> Subject: [CR] Fiamme Stem For Holdsworth Pro. To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Date: Monday, 20 April, 2009, 11:54 PM

Dear All, Does anyone have a good Fiamme bolted type stem (not the allen key later type) for the 60's 70's that they would like to sell?. Or, perhaps knows where I could secure such a rare item. I have started to put together the pieces for the 1970 Holdsworth Pro and, according to contemporary brochures, they were originally fitted with these stems.

Also, looking for a good pair of Maillard 700 large flange hubs for a PX10.

If anyone knows much about the equipment fitted to Holdsworth Pro bikes circa 1970, I would like to know more.

Great discussions recently...not good weather here for bike riding today.

All the best,

Peter Rogers

Barrie, Ontario

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