Re: [CR] Flandria in A Sunday in Hell


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Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 09:24:24 -0700
From: <mrrabbit@mrrabbit.net>
To: <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
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Cc: Tom Sanders <tesanders@comcast.net>, Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: Re: [CR] Flandria in A Sunday in Hell


"But no one else has reported an experience nearly as bad as Robert's"

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Search in C&V for "Benotto" and "Mexico".

Robert Shackelford San Jose, CA USA

Quoting Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>:
>
> Finished rewatching the film last night. There was no definitive shot of the
> right side of the bikes that would allow one to clearly see the RD, which
> would have definitely settled whether the Flandrias were Dura Ace or Campy in
> 1976. But there were enough fair imagines that I'm about 90% sure the RD was
> a traditional drop parallelogram like Campy NR, not a horizonal parallelogram
> like Dura Ace, or maybe Crane, as I think the DA RD was still badged in 1976.
> And the shots of Maertens sure look more like Campy NR brake levers and
> calipers than Dura Ace.
>
> Searching the web, I find that Flandria began using Dura Ace in 1973, but I
> can find no information as to how many years they used it. But I do note
> that the Velda/Flandria jerseys in the film do not bear any Shimano markings,
> whereas there are lots of photos around of Flandria/Shimano team jerseys in
> other years. So I must conclude that Flandria had completed their contract
> with Shimano and switched back to Campy by 1976. So I guess if Peter builds
> up his Gios ala DeVlaeminck, and I bring my all D-A Flandria to a future
> Cirque, we'll have to reinact the 1975 P-R rather than the 1976.
>
> BTW, Maerten did play a more prominant role in the film than I had
> remembered, as he and his team did most of the work chasing down
> DeVlaeminck's attacks all day, until Freddy crashed and retired late in the
> day. Indeed Maerten's crash may have decided the outcome. In the final
> break Demayer was in the company of DeVlaeminck, Moser, and reigning World
> Champion Kuiper, elite company in which one would normally expect DeMayer to
> come last. But Demayer did absolutely no work, probably on the pretext that
> he was waiting for his captain Maertens to rejoin. So he was fresher at the
> end than his more fancied companions, and ran out the surprise winner.
>
> Pity my team replica Flandria seems to be at laest one year too early to have
> appeared in A Sunday in Hell. But the real star of the film, as far as the
> bikes are concerned, is the champagne-colored Benotto which opens the film
> being cleaned and prepped by the team mechanic. Wonderful scene, captures
> the essence of European racing when it was still a no-nonsence working class
> sport. The frame is clean, but with lots of little scratches, and it is
> obvious the mechanic is more concerned with function than appearance. He
> even seems unconcerned when the bars come around and bump the toptube once or
> twice. Quite obviously, the bike is basically just a tool, even though the
> bike manufacturer helps pay the bills. And the bike and components have no
> garish colors or huge logos, but just design for the job at hand.
>
> So as the Benotto has such a staring role I am going to have to build up my
> Mexican-made chanpagne Benotto acquired NOS from Jay Gruen a while back.
> I've heard Robert Schackleford's horror stories, and it is clear that Benotto
> has some real quailty control issues in Mexico for a time. But no one else
> has reported an experience nearly as bad as Robert's so I assume that Benotto
> did eventually address the problem. I'll just hope my frame wasn't one built
> during that bad patch.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
>
> --- On Mon, 5/4/09, Edward Albert <ealbert01@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Edward Albert <ealbert01@gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [CR] Am I the only that's a little sad knowing J. Moos has a
> Masi
> > To: "Thomas Adams" <thomasthomasa@yahoo.com>
> > Cc: jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net, "Tom Sanders" <tesanders@comcast.net>,
> Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 12:43 PM
> > Yes DeMayer did win. But Freddy played a huge role in the
> > race chasing down
> > the breaks. DeVlaaminck kept attacking and attacking.
> > Then Merckx. But
> > just as Freddy got close he crashed on a turn and packed it
> > in. On a sadder
> > not DeMayer died young of a heart attack, I believe. One
> > wonder what those
> > guys were doing to themselves....as if we didn't know.
> > Edward Albert
> > Chappaqua, New York, U.S.A.
> >
> > On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Thomas Adams
> > <thomasthomasa@yahoo.com>wrote:
> >
> > > Yeah, but Marc DeMayer, up on a Flandria, figured a
> > bit in the film. He
> > > won the race. :-)
> > >
> > > Tom Adams
> > > Manhattan, KS
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 5/4/09, Jerome & Elizabeth Moos
> > <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos
> > <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
> > > Subject: Re: [CR] Am I the only that's a little
> > sad knowing J. Moos has a
> > > Masi
> > > To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org, "Tom
> > Sanders" <tesanders@comcast.net>
> > > Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 9:49 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes, it is a slippery slope. I see my next
> > transgression coming already.
> > > Hanging on the wall in the garage is a
> > champagne-colored Benotto frameset,
> > > very similar the the one ridden by Frnacesco Moser in
> > "A Sunday in Hell". I
> > > even have a Sanson jersey to match, so I suppose I am
> > goig to have to build
> > > this one up all Campy, like those ridden by Moser
> > & Co. And if Peter builds
> > > his Gios like DeVlaeminck's maybe we can reinact
> > the 1976 P-R on the
> > > slightly less cobbled DC bike paths at some future
> > Cirque.
> > >
> > > Come to think out it, I already have a team replica
> > Flandria, like those
> > > ridden by Maertens and Pollentier, with original Dura
> > Ace. But I don't
> > > think Freddy featured that prominantly in the film,
> > and I don't remember if
> > > Flandria, who began using Shimano in 1973, reportedly
> > much to the annoyance
> > > of Tullio Campagnolo, was still using D-A in 1976.
> > But in any case owning a
> > > Flandria is only a minor sin for a Francophile, one a
> > couple of Hail Marys
> > > should atone for. Benotto or Masi, on the other hand,
> > may well damn one
> > > completely.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Jerry Moos
> > > Big Spring, Texas, USA
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 5/4/09, Tom Sanders
> > <tesanders@comcast.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: Tom Sanders <tesanders@comcast.net>
> > > > Subject: [CR] Am I the only that's a little
> > sad knowing J. Moos has a
> > > Masi
> > > > To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > > > Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 5:48 AM
> > > > Not at all.knowing that in one of his rare posts
> > Jerry has
> > > > exhibited a tiny
> > > > bit of anti-Masi attitude I promptly wrote and
> > poked fun
> > > > at him for owning
> > > > one. Jerry patiently wrote back and explained
> > his
> > > > reasoning for doing
> > > > so.pretty much the same post he sent to the
> > list..
> > > >
> > > > I'll bet he's secretly yearning for a
> > twin plate GC
> > > > by now and may well be
> > > > in secret negotiations to purchase Bob
> > Hovey's Masi web
> > > > site. Hope Bob gets
> > > > a lot of that big Texas money.
> > > >
> > > > Tom Sanders
> > > >
> > > > Lansing, MI USA