Re: [CR] Why stop water bottle in front of handlebars?

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Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 23:48:00 -0600
From: mitch harris <>
To: ternst <>
Subject: Re: [CR] Why stop water bottle in front of handlebars?

On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 1:09 PM, ternst <> wrote:
> On the double bottles on bars, the old time guys of nostalgic bygone eras
> had entirely different bike designs on wheelbases, fork rakes, head angles.

This matches what I found when I put a full bottle on the front one my favorite handling mid-trail bikes. Just like it didn't like a handlebar bag, this bike's steering over-reacted to weight on the handlebar, and not in a way that you'd get used to it. I found that front end geometry that likes a handlbar bag (trail 45mm or so, or less) also likes a water bottle on the front, and I notice that low trail was a more common racing geometry in the 60s and 50s. Mid trail geometry that dislikes a handlebar bag (50-58mm or so) doesn't like a heavy water bottle either. My bottle placement exaggerated the effect by hanging it off the end of a 14cm Cinelli 1A stem, so there may be ways to make this work ok on mid-trail bikes.

Mitch Harris
Little Rock Canyon, Utah, USA