Joe Bell gave me this guy's info. He said he does the decals for most of the smaller builders. He may be able to duplicate them if you send him pictures. sssink.com
Hyde Baker
Los Angeles
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Speaking of round fork blades (Edward Albert) 2. Re: Modern gumwall clincher (saint09@bellsouth.net) 3. Speaking of round fork blades (Andy Newlands) 4. Round Fork Blades (Michael Thompson) 5. Rally Cage (Michael Thompson) 6. Re: Modern gumwall clincher (Fred Rednor) 7. Re: Rally Cage (r cielec) 8. Re: Speaking of round fork blades (John Betmanis) 9. Re: 27X1 3/8 Tire (David Snyder) 10. WTB: Campagnolo Super/Nuovo Record crank arm bolts (John Cerasulo) 11. Round fork blades (Michael Allison) 12. Re: Speaking of round fork blades (John Barry) 13. Obscure builders (crumpy6204@aol.com) 14. Round forks again (crumpy6204@aol.com)
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Message: 1 Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:48:05 -0400 From: Edward Albert <ealbert01@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [CR] Speaking of round fork blades To: Angel Garcia <veronaman@gmail.com> Cc: CLASSIC RENDEZVOUS <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <c6ff64470906241448u14791bc6g56721b8ee643e972@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
Whoops, found two more both a track and road Sieber late 40's/early 50's I believe.
Edward Albert Chappaqua, New York, U.S.A.
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Edward Albert <ealbert01@gmail.com> wrote:
> Angel,
> Round fork blades everywhere
> All track
> Dick Power
> 3 Drydsdales of assorted vintages
> 2 Brennans
> Bob Berghino
> Durkopp
> Nagasawa
> Holdworth
> Ephgrave
> Pop Perry
> Bastide
> and counting.......
> Not rare at all especially on 20's - 50's bikes
>
> Edward Albert
> Chappaqua, New York, U.S.A.
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Angel Garcia <veronaman@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Does the use of round fork blades fall in the category of "rarely used"?
>> Or,
>> are they more common than that? I gather from Greg's note that Hetchins is
>> known for them. Are there other builders that are regularly identified
>> with
>> round forks?
>>
>> I know dave moulton used them on his Criterium model.
>>
>> Angel Garcia
>> Long Valley, NJ
>>
>>
>> Hi list members. The recent couple of obscure builder information requests
>> reminded me that I have an English frame that I know nothing about. Nor
>> have
>> I been able to discover anything about it on the web. It's a H.R. Daycock
>> frame. The headstock transfer states an address of "Roman Road London E
>> 2".
>> It's built with Nervex pro lugs, and Campy long eyeletted dropouts {the
>> fairly early ones with the extra little hole on the derailleur side}. The
>> number 1312 is faintly stamped on the B.B. shell. It appears to be a
>> nicely
>> built; quite conventional , road frame , The only real departure from
>> normal
>> form is that it uses round fork blades like a Hetchins . I believe it
>> dates
>> from the late 1950's to early 1960's. Can anyone provide any information
>> ?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Greg Lone
>> Langley B.C.
>> Canada
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>
>
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Message: 2 Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:58:59 +0000 From: <saint09@bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: [CR] Modern gumwall clincher To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <062420092158.4739.4A42A1A2000ECB010000128322216125569B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC7CF9B02070E9C@att.net>
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Many thanks to all who replied. I hadn't thought I'd open up such a huge discussion, but it has paid off. A lot of folks recommended the Panaracer Pasela and Wayne Bingham offered a variety of other desireable brands. Thanks guys. Fred Durrette Summerville, SCS
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Message: 3 Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:16:39 -0700 From: Andy Newlands <andy@strawberrybicycle.com> Subject: [CR] Speaking of round fork blades To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <4A42A5C7.4020509@strawberrybicycle.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed
Howdy,
I have a hand brazed 53cm. square Strawberry single speed bike with
24mm. round fork blades up on Ebay now: item no. 110406087390. More
pics on my website here:
http://www.strawberrybicycle.com/
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Message: 4 Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:29:27 -0700 From: Michael Thompson <meauxtown@yahoo.com> Subject: [CR] Round Fork Blades To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <419491.57246.qm@web63403.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
My Jack Taylor trike has round fork blades and two brakes on the front wheel. It's over a 100F here today. Mike Thompson Monroe, Louisiana
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Message: 5 Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:32:18 -0700 From: Michael Thompson <meauxtown@yahoo.com> Subject: [CR] Rally Cage To: CR Main Address <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <328746.85257.qm@web63402.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
I have a friend looking for a Rally Cage to adapt to a Nuovo rear changer. If anyone has an old Rally or just the pully cage, I would like to help him out. Thanks. Mike Thompson Monroe, Louisiana
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Message: 6 Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:07:29 -0700 From: Fred Rednor <fred_rednor@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [CR] Modern gumwall clincher To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <504113.93632.qm@web34204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
I'm glad Don mentioned these tires, because many people don't realize that there actually were a reasonable number of high performance clinchers available in days of yore.
In fact, the first time I rode an "open clincher" style of tire was actually in 1969. These were made by Hutchinson and came on my Atala. They were interesting tires in that the casings and tread were very thin, very light, very supple, not particularly narrow (i.e. labeled as 27 x 1 and 1/4) and... very delicate.
Perhaps some of the folks who dealt with French stuff in those days remember these tires? I know that Atala is an Italian manufacturer, but they often used rims and tires/tubulars from French manufacturers.
Best regards,
Fred Rednor - Arlignton, Virginia (USA)
> In 1977, I purchased a SEKAI 2500 Grandtour with the
> smoking hot
> "Sekai Special" 300 gram gumwall tires, 27 x 1 1/8.?
> That was a very
> light and narrow wired-on tire for that era.
>
> For another $40, which I did not have as I was a poor high
> school
> sophomore, I could have purchased a SEKAI 2700 Grandtour
> Deluxe with
> the 27 x 1" "Sekai Special Ultralight" gumwall tires at
> the
> unbelievable weight of only 270 grams.
>
> ? http://www.ece.ubc.ca/
>
> At the time, most gumwall tires were 350 or 400 grams.
>
> Both tires were almost certainly made by IRC or Panaracer,
> and even
> today a wired-on tire in that size is hardly lighter, even
> in the more
> competitive 700c tire.? The main improvement since
> that time has been
> in the kevlar beads available on some times, and introduced
> within a
> year or two of 1977, I think.
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Message: 7 Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:12:25 -0700 From: r cielec <teaat4p@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [CR] Rally Cage To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <439974.37269.qm@web53608.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Ahoy !
Wasn't there a Shimano long cage that was used to convert the NR Rally-like long cage ?? I thought it was a simple bolt-up swap.
Anyone out there with real, take to the bank knowledge ?
Richard Cielec
Chicago, Illinois; U.S.A.
From: Michael Thompson <meauxtown@yahoo.com> Subject: [CR] Rally Cage To: "CR Main Address" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 5:32 PM
I have a friend looking for a Rally Cage to adapt to a Nuovo rear changer. If anyone has an old Rally or just the pully cage, I would like to help him out. Thanks. Mike Thompson Monroe, Louisiana
? ? ? _______________________________________________
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Message: 8 Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:44:59 -0400 From: John Betmanis <johnb@oxford.net> Subject: Re: [CR] Speaking of round fork blades To: CLASSIC RENDEZVOUS <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20090624194459.01702e50@mailhost.oxford.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
At 09:07 PM 24/06/2009 +0000, Hugh Thornton wrote:
>As most of the respondents note, round fork blades are commonly used on
track bikes because they are laterall stiffer.? They are potentially not as
stiff in the vertical and fore-aft directions - this is not an issue on
track bikes, but may account for a good ride on a road bike, as noted by
one respondent.? To add to the list of road bikes with round forks, I have
a late 70s Gazelle Champion Mondiale with round blades, but I can't comment
on any possible effect because I have not yet had it built up.? Most
Gazelles I have seen have had oval blades and I have't a clue whether this
was standard or an option for my particular frame.? Round fork blades might
be a good choice for a criterium bike where good cornering and lateral
stiffness are more important.
>
Yes. And as Mike Thompson wrote in an earlier email, his Jack Taylor trike also has the. A trike fork would experience lateral forces the same as a track bike.
John Betmanis Woodstock, Ontario Canada
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Message: 9 Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:54:20 -0700 From: David Snyder <dddd@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: [CR] 27X1 3/8 Tire To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <C605BB58B1284B56926D8C2C56A562EB@ddddPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original
Keep in mind that many, if not most, of the "27X1-3/8" tires sold now and in the past are actually narrower than some current "27X1-1/4"- sized tires.
Big ones (actual 32mm on wide rim) in 1-1/4" size are Michelin World, Tour, Panaracer Pasela and Schwalbe Marathon.
Current 1-3/8" Kenda, Cheng and Tioga tires are all narrower than those!
David Snyder Riding on 1-1/4" Paselas for the first time here in Auburn, CA usa
I may be getting in on the tail of this, but does anyone know of a source for 27 X 1 3/8 tires. Tandems just ride better with more rubber on the gound; I've got an older Taylor with 27 inch wheels that could use changing. What I have now is an old Michelin World Tour.
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Message: 10 Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:10:13 -0700 From: John Cerasulo <cerasulo@yahoo.com> Subject: [CR] WTB: Campagnolo Super/Nuovo Record crank arm bolts To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <814395.81848.qm@web50405.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hi everyone,? need to finish a build for my early 80's Colnago Super and I'm lacking crank arm bolts for a Super Record crankset.? Does anyone have a set to spare?? This is for a daily rider.? Thank you!? I will post pictures to possibly have the frame dated once it's done.? Best, John Cerasulo Brooklyn, NY
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Message: 11 Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:58:29 -0400 From: Michael Allison <cyclo_one@verizon.net> Subject: [CR] Round fork blades To: <veronaman@gmail.com> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Message-ID: <8793AB25-3CBD-4DCA-BA2D-9DC3552DF3A4@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; format=flowed; delsp=yes
Everyone forgot to mention Mario Confente, who preferred round fork blades.
Michael Allison New York, NY
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Message: 12 Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:09:07 -0700 From: John Barry <usazorro@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [CR] Speaking of round fork blades To: CLASSIC RENDEZVOUS <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <761432.96255.qm@web50205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
The forks on the Raleigh Team Professional, and the just barely out of timeline Trek 760 come pretty close - both being nearly round ovals. As was originally noted, the Hetchins is the sole bicycle in the small herd here that has round fork blades.
Cheers,
(shoeless - at least until Dan heals up) John Barry Mechanicsburg, PA, USA
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Message: 13 Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:55:05 -0400 From: <crumpy6204@aol.com> Subject: [CR] Obscure builders To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <8CBC35779E1DDD8-1310-2057@webmail-mf21.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
I have a J.A.Holland frame, that I got from a fellow list member (THANKS JOHN) I pretty much know all about the builder. It seems I did ride and race againt him OR his son in the 50s He was a member of the Solihull CC and myself a member of the Midland C&AC both in Brum, ENGLAND, It is a well built frame 531 Nervex lugs.etc, a road frame from the mid fifties. I know that Ian Briggs?Chris Crocoll?members also have Holland frames. I have written Norris hoping with all his contacts he can help me locate transfers (BLOODY DECALS) for it, Not sure that Norris gets his Emails (Maybe he?Spamed me) Does any one else, maybe a Brit member have any suggestions, I can Supply copy's of the ones one the frame if needed. The frame, built up with Campag 10speed GBs Stronglight 49d etc 60s Alloy rims and Campag hubs with Vittoria Corsa tyres(OF COURSE NOT CORRECT) I do have the 27s Dunlop spec lightweight rims Airlites etc. weighs in around 21 lbs with the Alloy rims., NOT bad for the year, rides VERY well even up?Vail pass last weekend. wish I rode as well as the bike!? Thanks in advance Cheers John Crump Old&tiredBrit. Parker,Co USA?? PS Rode my KOF Mercian on my 76th D/B Sunday 7 June, 76 miles
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Message: 14 Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:01:01 -0400 From: <crumpy6204@aol.com> Subject: [CR] Round forks again To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <8CBC3584E6D680E-1310-207F@webmail-mf21.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
My 1950 Mercian R/P won Best Brit bike LeCirque 2006 has them ALSO the 54 Hetchins MagOpus I traded John the Holland for hasd them, BOTH bike rode fine, What was the reason for ROUND forks? anyone? Cheers John Crump OldroundingoffBrit, Parker Co USA
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