Re: [CR] Wool Jersey


Example: Framebuilders:Rene Herse

Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:05:34 -0700
From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, Morgan Fletcher <morgan@hahaha.org>
Subject: Re: [CR] Wool Jersey


Morgan, so it sounds like the data recovery service has done a lot of work already. Are they not going to bill you at least part of that $2,500 even if you stop now? If so, I don't think most people would want their money back, even if you stop now, but are still stuck with a substantial bill. In fact, I'd send in a contribution to help with what you've already incurred, even if you don't proceed.

Regards,

Jerry Moos
Big Spring, Texas, USA


--- On Mon, 7/20/09, Morgan Fletcher wrote:


> From: Morgan Fletcher <morgan@hahaha.org>

\r?\n> Subject: Re: [CR] Wool Jersey

\r?\n> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

\r?\n> Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 2:42 PM

\r?\n> I have good news, and I have

\r?\n> not-so-good news.

\r?\n> First some background; there's this site I've run for a

\r?\n> while called

\r?\n> http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery. It started around

\r?\n> 2004. I had a server I

\r?\n> was using for some other stuff, and I already had the

\r?\n> Gallery software

\r?\n> [1] installed for another web site, so I stuck my

\r?\n> collection of

\r?\n> bicycle-related photos up there.[2] I was obsessing about

\r?\n> Masis and

\r?\n> Pogliaghis at the time, and I'd collected lots of pictures,

\r?\n> mostly from

\r?\n> other people. I also like to take photos while riding and

\r?\n> of bikes and so I

\r?\n> had a collection of my own photos as well. I offered

\r?\n> accounts to other

\r?\n> people and some folks like Aldo Ross found it useful. [3]

\r?\n> For fun, and to

\r?\n> get the bike photos off the other site, I got the domain

\r?\n> name "

\r?\n> wooljersey.com" set up Gallery there and transitioned the

\r?\n> bike photos to the

\r?\n> new site. [4] Amazingly, it was a useful resource, and

\r?\n> people in this

\r?\n> community really liked using it. Because so many of you are

\r?\n> of like minds

\r?\n> about which bikes and bike photos you like, wooljersey

\r?\n> became something of a

\r?\n> resource for classic lightweight bikes. It got big, and the

\r?\n> maintenance and

\r?\n> administration was a pain, and the software struggled to

\r?\n> keep up with the

\r?\n> visitors, user registrations and almost 50gb of pictures. I

\r?\n> lost the paying

\r?\n> customers that paid the monthly hosting bill, so I was

\r?\n> paying commercial

\r?\n> hosting rates ($125/month) for wooljersey and my personal

\r?\n> stuff. I never

\r?\n> made backups. The hard drive crashed about three weeks ago.

\r?\n> I lost

\r?\n> wooljersey along with some personal stuff (family photos,

\r?\n> personal email, my

\r?\n> blog, some genealogy stuff) and another set of files

\r?\n> related to another

\r?\n> hobby-community I'm part of. I did some research, figured

\r?\n> out who was the

\r?\n> best company to do the data recovery and sent the disk to

\r?\n> Drivesavers. [5] I

\r?\n> knew it might be expensive, depending on what they found

\r?\n> and how they

\r?\n> proceeded. I talked with my wife about it and we agreed to

\r?\n> go forward.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Drivesavers worked on it for a long time. I got a status

\r?\n> call about a week

\r?\n> ago, telling me they had determined that the heads had

\r?\n> actually hit the

\r?\n> platters in the drive, that there was physical damage, that

\r?\n> they'd have to

\r?\n> disassemble the drive and work on it in a "clean room" and

\r?\n> that the work of

\r?\n> recovering the data would be slow. They said they'd need

\r?\n> more time, maybe a

\r?\n> week. I got an email to call them about my drive this past

\r?\n> Friday, and I

\r?\n> called them this morning.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> The good news: They were able to recover 95% of the files,

\r?\n> and the remaining

\r?\n> 5% they could recover, but they lost the directory

\r?\n> information for them.

\r?\n> Meaning that if I can figure out where they go, I can get

\r?\n> them back in a

\r?\n> usable state. This is good news! I'm amazed. The machine

\r?\n> was running linux,

\r?\n> and it used a filesystem called ext3, [6] which uses some

\r?\n> extra disk space

\r?\n> to keep a "journal", so that the journal can help recover

\r?\n> data if there's

\r?\n> any filesystem corruption. I think that is part of what

\r?\n> made this recovery

\r?\n> possible.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> More good news: Thanks to donations via paypal, I've

\r?\n> received $600 from you

\r?\n> all to help with the recovery. Thank you! That is amazing.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> The not-so-good news: The recovery bill is $2471.29, which

\r?\n> includes $129 for

\r?\n> a new, external drive on which the data will be delivered.

\r?\n> I have about $100

\r?\n> sitting in my "bike" bank account and $600 in paypal. I'm

\r?\n> looking at $1800

\r?\n> from our family finances. This is a tough sell. I'm

\r?\n> married, middle class,

\r?\n> two kids, mortgage; you can relate I bet. My wife and I are

\r?\n> going to talk

\r?\n> about it tonight. If we decide to proceed I'll probably

\r?\n> have wooljersey back

\r?\n> up again soon. I have gotten some offers to help with

\r?\n> hosting it, or to take

\r?\n> over hosting of it, and I will definitely choose one of

\r?\n> those paths. I'm

\r?\n> done paying $125/month for hosting it at xlhost.com. It

\r?\n> would return to the

\r?\n> community, and one or more of you would run it, and I'd

\r?\n> help as needed. If

\r?\n> we don't decide to proceed I'll return the donations and

\r?\n> we'll all say RIP

\r?\n> for wooljersey.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> There is very little that was on wooljersey that was

\r?\n> ultimately couldn't be

\r?\n> recreated. Most of the photos were of bicycles owned by

\r?\n> people here. They

\r?\n> could be re-uploaded to a new wooljersey, or flickr, or

\r?\n> some other photo

\r?\n> site. I suppose some were unique. What was unique about

\r?\n> wooljersey was the

\r?\n> collection itself, and its organization and cohesion. It

\r?\n> took years for all

\r?\n> of you to not only photograph and upload 50GB of photos,

\r?\n> but to categorize,

\r?\n> describe and comment the photos. Some of the photos were

\r?\n> ephemeral. Some

\r?\n> bikes have changed hands. Some contributors are no longer

\r?\n> alive. And then

\r?\n> there is the great gift that Aldo Ross provided; the

\r?\n> amazing catalog of

\r?\n> images he uploaded. I'm sure you're all familiar with his

\r?\n> photos, and "pic

\r?\n> of the day". Aldo, of all of wooljersey's photos your

\r?\n> albums are what

\r?\n> I miss most.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> So, I'll let you know how it goes. I've gotten a lot of

\r?\n> email off-list about

\r?\n> this, lots of advice, suggestions, etc. I had no plan for

\r?\n> wooljersey, it

\r?\n> just happened. I never thought it would get so big. I

\r?\n> honestly tried to

\r?\n> migrate some of my photos to flickr, where I have an

\r?\n> account, but the tool

\r?\n> [7] for transporting photos between the gallery software on

\r?\n> wooljersey and

\r?\n> flickr could not handle the giant database queries required

\r?\n> for wooljersey

\r?\n> and it failed. Assuming we go forward, the new maintainer

\r?\n> of wooljersey will

\r?\n> have to decide how best to proceed. The gallery software

\r?\n> project is still

\r?\n> full-steam-ahead at http://gallery.menalto.com/.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> This is embarrassing and paying piles of money for the

\r?\n> recovery is foolish.

\r?\n> I'm mainly doing this for selfish reasons; because of the

\r?\n> family photos and

\r?\n> my blog.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Morgan Fletcher

\r?\n> Oakland, CA USA

\r?\n>

\r?\n> [1] http://gallery.menalto.com/

\r?\n> [2]

\r?\n> http://search.bikelist.org/getmsg.asp?Filename=classicrendezvous.10406.1311.eml

\r?\n> [3]

\r?\n> http://search.bikelist.org/getmsg.asp?Filename=classicrendezvous.10405.1529.eml

\r?\n> [4]

\r?\n> http://search.bikelist.org/getmsg.asp?Filename=classicrendezvous.10409.0876.eml

\r?\n> [5] http://www.drivesaversdatarecovery.com/

\r?\n> [6] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3

\r?\n> [7] http://gallery2flickr.sourceforge.net/