Yes these are bare frame weights. Modern cast lugs and BB shells, forged ends add weight...
Hilary Stone, Bristol, British Isles
Dmitry Yaitskov wrote:
> Friday, July 24, 2009, 12:17:11 PM, Hilary Stone wrote:
>> Raleigh 2030 carbon steel frames generally weighed about 2.8-3kg.
>> Ones made with 531 plain gauge main tubes shaved off about 400g
>> whilst 531 DB frames would weigh under 2kg - often as light as 1800g
>> with good quality pressed steel lugs, BB shell and fork ends.
> Please excuse my ignorance Hilary - those are weights without forks,