Re: [CR] 60s or 70s Peugeot PX10? - Pieced together bike?

(Example: Component Manufacturers:Cinelli)

Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:49:57 -0700
From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
To: <bikes@msu.edu>, <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, <verktyg@aol.com>
In-Reply-To: <8CBF5703B749F72-DD4-13B7@webmail-d012.sysops.aol.com>
Subject: Re: [CR] 60s or 70s Peugeot PX10? - Pieced together bike?


I beg to disagree about the DT decal. The simple gold "Peugeot" is from the 60's. The early/mid 70's DT decal was a white "Peugeot" on a black background, flanked by gold bands:

http://mysite.verizon.net/imagelib/sitebuilder/misc/show_image.html?linkedwidth¬tual&linkpath=http://mysite.verizon.net/vzerndgo/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/Peugeot_Catalog_Early70s_France_Page_7_Retropeugeot.jpg&target=tlx_picsnzk

The 60's style might have been used in 1970, but 1971 to maybe 1975 was the never style.

Regards,

Jerry Moos


--- On Thu, 8/27/09, verktyg@aol.com wrote:


> From: verktyg@aol.com <verktyg@aol.com>

\r?\n> Subject: Re: [CR] 60s or 70s Peugeot PX10? - Pieced together bike?

\r?\n> To: bikes@msu.edu, Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

\r?\n> Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 3:58 PM

\r?\n> Tim,

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Not trying to throw water on your fire, but to me this

\r?\n> really looks like a pieced together bike.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Aside from the brakes, Campy components, and seat post,

\r?\n> there are too many inconsistencies on this bike.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> For instance, this style fork crown wasn't used until the

\r?\n> 1970s. Earlier models used fancy Nervex Professional crowns

\r?\n> to match the lugs.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> The paint and decals look "too good" for a bike this old.

\r?\n> After 25-35 years of exposure, paint loses some of it's

\r?\n> luster. Look at the joint between the down tube/head tube

\r?\n> lug, this area usually collects dirt and debris plus polish

\r?\n> build up. It's still glossy on your bike.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> From what I've read, in 1967 Peugeot started painting all

\r?\n> of their pro model variants white or white with black lugs

\r?\n> like their team bikes. Prior to that they were this color

\r?\n> blue with black lugs like yours. Before that they were blue

\r?\n> with dark yellow lugs. In the mid 70s they started offering

\r?\n> PX-10s in several different colors. That's not to say that

\r?\n> Peugeot didn't make any bikes this color during the interim

\r?\n> years.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Between 1967 and ~1979 Peugeot used simple gold with black

\r?\n> outline, block letter decals on their down tubes. This decal

\r?\n> is from the 1970s.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Last, the "bird mouth" stem, it's probably an AVA but it

\r?\n> has a solid rear area behind the expander bolt. Most of the

\r?\n> later cast aluminum stems like this were hollow. Also,

\r?\n> PX-10s came with the handlebar bolt horizontal not vertical

\r?\n> like this one.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> I, like many other CR members have pieced together bikes

\r?\n> before. They usually turned out to be great, enjoyable

\r?\n> riding bikes. For some reason in our area in the 70s, most

\r?\n> PX-10 owners tended to keep them all original - ALL FRENCH!

\r?\n>

\r?\n> It was a different story with the comparable Gitane Tour de

\r?\n> France models. The first thing most serious riders did was

\r?\n> to replace the Torquemada torture device Gitane called a

\r?\n> saddle with either a Brooks Pro or a Cinelli Unicanitor.

\r?\n> Next was SunTour V or Campy derailleurs.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Congratulations, you have a genuine Batard! It should be a

\r?\n> very enjoyable steed for many years to come.  ;-)

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Chas. Colerich

\r?\n> Oakland, CA USA

\r?\n>

\r?\n>

\r?\n> -----Original Message-----

\r?\n> From: Tim Potter

\r?\n> Sent: Sun, Aug 23, 2009 5:24 pm

\r?\n> Subject: [CR] 60s or 70s Peugeot PX10?

\r?\n>

\r?\n> I just finished photographing a Peugeot that we've acquired

\r?\n> thru a donation

\r?\n> which I suspect to be a PX10 due to the 'inoxydable' decal

\r?\n> and other

\r?\n> features as follows:

\r?\n> http://www.bikes.msu.edu/photo_gallery/Peugeot-PX10/index.html

\r?\n>

\r?\n> The 6 digit serial number would seem to indicate a 60's

\r?\n> vintage frame but

\r?\n> the decals indicate it's early 70s.  It's obviously

\r?\n> been quite modified w/

\r?\n> the Campag components & Universal Super 68 brakes.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Unfortunately there are some bulges under the top and

\r?\n> downtubes near the

\r?\n> head tube indicating pretty serious frame damage, although

\r?\n> the original fork

\r?\n> looks straight to the head tube.   I'm

\r?\n> contemplating trying to straighten

\r?\n> the frame; we have a frame straightener modeled after the

\r?\n> Park tool that

\r?\n> they've stopped making.  I would appreciate any advice

\r?\n> on whether

\r?\n> straightening these tubes using such a tool is likely to be

\r?\n> effective w/ the

\r?\n> amount of damage as the photos kind of show.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> The seat tube decal with "Carlton " and "England Worksop"

\r?\n> on it is quite

\r?\n> strange; anyone have any theories of Carlton's involvement

\r?\n> with Peugeot's of

\r?\n> this era or was there possibly a retail shop in England

\r?\n> named Carlton

\r?\n> selling them where this bike might have been purchased?

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Thanks for any input,

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Tim Potter