Well, after seeing Billy's photos, I was inspired to dig through my own parts bin. I found 5 Jubilees, all short cage. I think I made a different measurement from Billy, as I measured the distance from center of upper pivot bolt to center of bottom pivot, which is also the axis of the upper jockey wheel. All five measure 64 mm. Like Billy, I have three different variations. Three RD's are the dedicated Huret DO type. One is a dedicated Campy type with the built-in stop about 90 deg away from that on the dedicated Huret type. The last Jubilee is the Huret type, but with a washer to adapt it for Campy DO's. This is a later variation with a drillium jockey cage, and the washer is a little more elaborate as well. Rather than a simple tab at the position of the Campy stop, it has a stop screw, so that the RD stop position was adjustable, as seen on 80's RD's of several brands and models.
I'm now all but convinced that as Billy suggests, the short cage Jubilees were all identical except for the stop type and position, and that any difference in the largest cog that could be handled was due to the DO brand, not to any difference in the geometry of the RD itself. It is a bit curious that Huret provided two different means of using the Jubilee with Campy DO's both the tabbed washer and the different body with the built-in Campy stop. Any non-French manufacturer would probably have done one or the other, not both. But it reminds one of the incredible number of variations available from those other French companies, Simplex and TA.
Regards,
Jerry Moos
Big Spring, Texas, USA
> From: billydavid13@comcast.net <billydavid13@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [CR] Huret Drop-outs w/ Hanger Taller than Campag-style?
> To: "Jerome & Elizabeth Moos" <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 1:45 PM
> #yiv2084466125 p
> {margin:0;}Hi
> Jerry, Richard, all. Here's what i got from my box of
> Jubilee rears. All 6, including one long cage, have pivots
> that are 30mm apart; pulley centers are approx. 43mm for the
> short cage and approx.83 for the long cage. Axle center on a
> Campy dropout to der. mounting hole is approx.
> 24mm. For a Huret dropout it's 28.5mm. This might
> explain why the "Itallienne" configuration is
> only rated to a 24 tooth cog. The derailleur that's made
> for a Huret dropout has vertical stop just below the
> attachment [upper pivot] bolt. [Photo shows 2 versions of
> these, one slightly more robust but not significantly
> different. The one made for Campy d/os has a stop to the
> rear of the upper pivot bolt hole [on the left in
> photo]. BUT, the first type was available w/ a tabbed washer
> that made it adaptable to a Campy d/o, and workable w/ a
> Huret d/o if you removed it. So, perhaps the first ref
> # is the one w/ the Campy adaptor, the second is dedicated
> for Huret d/os and gives more teeth because the Huret d/o is
> 4.5mm longer; and the 3rd ref. is dedicated Campy type
> d/o. I'll be sending pics to Jerry and Richard.
> Anyone else who's interested, let me
> know. Billy Ketchum; Chicago, IL;
> USA.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jerome & Elizabeth Moos"
> <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
> To: billydavid13@comcast.net
> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 11:14:03 AM GMT -06:00
> US/Canada Central
> Subject: Re: [CR] Huret Drop-outs w/ Hanger Taller than
> Campag-style?
>
> Billy, do you have a link to catalogs with exploded
> drawings? I thought both the Huret and Campy version
> of the Jubilee used a stop incorporated into the body rather
> than using a tabbed washer like most Huret RD's.
> But I have to confess, I'm not sure I actually own
> a Campy version. Seems if they used a tabbed washer
> they would simply have designed the washer to adapt the
> Huret-version RD to Campy DO's, in which case they
> wouldn't have needed a separate version RD with a
> different catalog number. But then, we are talking
> about the French here, so anything is possible.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
>
>
>
> --- On Sat, 9/12/09, billydavid13@comcast.net
> <billydavid13@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > From: billydavid13@comcast.net
> <billydavid13@comcast.net>
> > Subject: Re: [CR] Huret Drop-outs w/ Hanger Taller
> than Campag-style?
> > To: "r cielec" <teaat4p@yahoo.com>
> > Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 11:05 AM
> > Hi Richard. I pulled out
> > Sutherland's, 2nd ed. and here's what they
> offer: Jubilee
> > 2200 [short cage]; w/ 32-52 chainwheels: 13-24.
> w/36-52
> > chainwheels: 13-26. w/40-52 chainwheels: 13-28.
> It's
> > possible the Huret catalog just got the chainwheel
> sizes
> > wrong. But that begs the question as to why they have
> 2 ref.
> > nos. Which, in turn, begs the question why there are
> no
> > separate illustrations for the 2 ref. nos. I trust
> > Sutherland's and Jerry Moos' observation that
> the short cage
> > will handle a 28 if it doesn't have too much chain
> to wrap.
> > Billy Ketchum; Chicago, IL; USA.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "r cielec" <teaat4p@yahoo.com>
> >
> > To: "Classic Rendezvous"
> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> >
> > Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 9:15:50 AM GMT
> -06:00
> > US/Canada Central
> > Subject: [CR] Huret Drop-outs w/ Hanger Taller than
> > Campag-style?
> >
> > Ahoy !
> > The recent revelation that Huret Jubilee rear ders,
> short
> > cage and long cage were both offered in rear sprocket
> max.
> > 24t and 28t versions has certainly got me wondering
> > (A) If Huret drop-outs w/ der. hanger are taller than
> the
> > Campag-style drop-outs w/der. hanger. That is: does
> the
> > Huret der. hanger hang lower? Would a lower hanger
> allow the
> > otherwise spec'sd 24t Jubilee to now handle
> a 28t? (The
> > Campag version Jubilee rear was spec'd @ 24t).
> >
> > Also:
> > (B) I'm wondering how one identifies the 24t vs.
> 28t
> > Jubilee (Keep in mind: as per the catalogues, there
> were
> > shorts @ 24t & 28t and longies @ 24t & 28t so,
> cage
> > length is not the discriminating feature.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Richard Cielec
> > Chicago, Illinois; U.S.A.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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