Re: [CR] Videos of RIH Framebuilding

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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 18:00:23 -0400
From: "Edward Albert" <ealbert01@gmail.com>
To: George Hollenberg <ghollmd@gmail.com>
Cc: oroboyz@aol.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: Re: [CR] Videos of RIH Framebuilding


The RIH store in Vienna also was a sponsor of the Austrian National Amateur team. I have a Pogliaghi stayer ridden by Austrian World Amateur stayer champion, Roland Konigshoffer, that is decaled as an RIH Super. Edward Albert Chappaqua, New York, U.S.A.

On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 5:54 PM, George Hollenberg <ghollmd@gmail.com>wrote:
> Hi Dale:
> My folks came from Vienna, Austria, the same place as this bike. We owned
> business property in Vienna until a few years ago.
> The Sporthaus RIH, run by Franz Hamedl, a well known pro-rider, was , once
> upon a time, THE pro-shop in the entire country and very important in all
> German-speaking countries. I was in his shop, located in the Leopoldstadt
> area of Vienna, on Praterstrasse (the famous Viennese fair area) which was
> once a very important street, many times-as recently as two years ago. He
> was once the Austrian importer of Campagnolo, and sold many very high end
> Italian bikes, frequently, putting his own label on them.
> The shop is now somewhat a shadow of its former self and not very high end.
> There are quite a few RIH bikes around, and, if you go on to Photobucket,
> you can see a very nice RIH "Super" Pista bike. I'm not sure if it's
> restored, but it's in very fine condition-in white too.
> George (my nickname in Viennese slang is "Schurl"-that's what my mom used
> to
> call me.
> George Hollenberg MD
>
> On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 4:02 PM, <oroboyz@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Re:I've been watching an on topic RIH lower end road frame on Ebay.? The
> > listing is here:
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> >
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> http://ebay.com/<blah>
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> >
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> > John:
> > This is sort of funny.. Looking at the under the BB guides, notice that
> > these little cable guide parts are made & designed with the idea that
> after
> > brazing them on, the builder peens over the little tabs so that the
> cablea
> > are contained within.... Apparently RIH forgot that step.
> >
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> http://web.me.com/ugyved/GarageSaleImages/GarageSale_1253268161_16900.jpg
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> > Dale
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> > Dale Brown
> >
> > Greenjsboro, North Carolina USA
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Cerasulo <cerasulo@yahoo.com>
> > To: veronaman@gmail.com; classicrendezvous@bikelist.org; oroboyz@aol.com
> > Sent: Fri, Sep 18, 2009 1:09 pm
> > Subject: Re: [CR] Videos of RIH Framebuilding
> >
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> > Awesome video indeed.? I've seen some really nice RIH track frames with
> > beautiful lug work on them.? I've been watching an on topic RIH lower end
> > road
> > frame on Ebay.? The listing is here:
> >
> >
> http://ebay.com/<blah>
> >
> > I thought it would make a great city lock up bike for the streets of
> NYC.?
> > The
> > seller wants too much for it in my humble opinion. I put in a generous
> > offer of
> > 180 and it was declined.? I'm assuming it's Alle tubing.? The BB cluster
> is
> > rather uneventful and from what I can see the dropouts aren't stamped.?
> It
> > does
> > have nice long filed lugs though.? Anyone have any thoughts? Thanks for
> > sharing
> > the videos!
> > Best,
> > John Cerasulo
> > Brooklyn, NY
> >
> > --- On Fri, 9/18/09, oroboyz@aol.com <oroboyz@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > From: oroboyz@aol.com <oroboyz@aol.com>
> > Subject: [CR] Videos of RIH Framebuilding
> > To: veronaman@gmail.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > Date: Friday, September 18, 2009, 9:34 AM
> >
> > Very interesting! ?How nice that they made these two videos!
> >
> >
> >
> > A few observations & questions...
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> >
> > At the start:?
> >
> > - Heating fork blades rather high up... for what purpose? It almost looks
> > like
> > he is heating to re-set the curvature/offset, which should be a no no.
> But
> > maybe
> > that is not the case and instead he is brazing the dropouts and for some
> > reason
> > heating the blades higher up than seem necessary or desirable...?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Note the use of old Haden or Bocama lugs and Cinelli Spoiler bb!?
> >
> >
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> >
> > Note the nice inserts to protect BB shell while clamping in vise...
> >
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> >
> > Note the somewhat odd Ouji board for frame design set up. What could that
> > large
> > shaped partial disc affair be? To set seat tube angle? ?Why the dual top
> > tube
> > process? To match seat and and head angle by making these top tube
> > elements?parallel??
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Note nice big fat flame used...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Note that unusual fixture or gadget along the top of top tube when he is
> > fitting
> > it to bb shell...
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> >
> > All and all a fascinating look at a builder who had obviously devised his
> > own
> > solutions to the craft of traditional frame building!
> >
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> >
> > Dale
> >
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> > Dale Brown
> >
> > Greensboro, North Carolina USA
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> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Angel Garcia <veronaman@gmail.com>
> > To: CLASSIC RENDEZVOUS <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > Sent: Fri, Sep 18, 2009 7:49 am
> > Subject: [CR] RIH Framebuilding
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> > Well done videos of a KOF frame being built at RIH:
> >
> > Part I: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc4mw_s162w
> > Part II: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0fQ9XwaKVQ
> >
> > Would love to know what he occasionally says....
> >
> > Angel Garcia
> > Long Valley, NJ
> >
> >
> > --
> > You may enjoy reading my blog:
> > http://www.italiancyclingjournal.blogspot.com
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> George
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> George Hollenberg MD
> CT, USA