[CR] was fixed gear, now in the gutter

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:04:15 -0700
From: "Jay S" <jvs@sonic.net>
To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
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Subject: [CR] was fixed gear, now in the gutter

Holy smokes, enough already. And to think this all started with a comment about fixed gear riding. If you guys want to smear each other, do it to each other off list, eh? Or better yet, get to your local boxing ring and work it out. Let's get back to on topic discussions.


Jay Sexton Sebastopol, CA

Message: 2 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:26:12 -0700 From: bruce thomson <masi3v4me@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [CR] Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 82, Issue 69 To: sean flores <seaneee175@gmail.com>, George Hollenberg <ghollmd@gmail.com> Cc: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <993292.48487.qm@web51605.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Attorney:? From the old French, 'torner', to twist or turn.? Now that in a word describes attorney's on or off Cinelli's.? In the words of the immortal bard, William Shakespear, "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers"?? Now he said that, not me, and millions would agree.

Bruce Thomson Spokane WA 99204 (509) 747 4314 Masi3v4me@yahoo.com????? rapidfire10ring@hotmail.com


--- On Wed, 10/14/09, George Hollenberg wrote:

From: George Hollenberg <ghollmd@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [CR] Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 82, Issue 69 To: "sean flores" <seaneee175@gmail.com> Cc: "Classic Rendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 2:12 PM

The "transition" is made quite readily, if one understands the issues at hand. In fact the issues involve the very public history of "On Topic" cyclists about which you seem to be ignorant.? Let me inform you. Andranian, an attorney, maintains a website (GitaneUSA) on which, for reasons known best to himself,? he devotes space to a crime of sexual abuse committed by the famous American cyclist, Jock Boyer (the first American to ride the TdF, 1981). On that same website, he carefully avoids mentioning a very similar, if not worse, crime committed by the French cyclist Anquetil, using the excuse that Anquetil wasn't jailed for his crime. That crime is documented in a well known book and movie. Now, Andranian would like to present himself on CR as an evenhanded lawyer sensitive to the law, making out arguments about defending the lack of use of brakes on fixed gear bikes by members of the "Fixie Nation", etc. I think it is important that the public know that, when it comes to presenting facts,? Andranian is not as evenhanded as he would like to appear. It's that simple. George George Hollenberg MD

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 4:42 PM, sean flores <seaneee175@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Normally, these things are left better off list. But your lack of tact
> > in this situation is quite astounding and needs to be pointed out to
> > the group as a whole. How does one transition from a mindless
> > discussion about fixed gear to issues of rape?
> >
> > Perhaps you need a break from the computer, or perhaps a quick moment
> > to re-read your posts before clicking the send button.? If anyone has
> > been "wasting" bandwidth, it is you sir.
> >
> > Please stop.
> >
> > Sean Flores
> > San Francisco, CA
> >
> >? George Hollenberg wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
>> > > Other than to decry these people and their dangerous and mindless
> > behavior,
>> > > I don't see why there should be more discussion of them on CR.
>> > > Let me take this occasion to ask you whether you have added reference on
>> > > your Gitane website to Anquetil's incestuous rape of his step-daughter?
> > This
>> > > information dwarfs the reference to Boyer's crime. In fact, it's been the
>> > > subject of a book and movie.</snip>
> >

-- George George Hollenberg MD CT, USA