Re: [CR] How in the heck do you remove those garish sidewall logos??

(Example: Production Builders:Cinelli)

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:28:46 -0500
From: "Harry Travis" <travis.harry@gmail.com>
To: donald gillies <gillies@ece.ubc.ca>
Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: Re: [CR] How in the heck do you remove those garish sidewall logos??


The answer to Don's question is an answer to "How do pro bike teams get their tires falsely labeled to match the sponsorship they benefit from when the tires are tubies made by someone else (probably Dugast.?) This is done so much and so often, there must be a standard method.

Someone or several asked awhile ago about what constituted an authentic pantograph. I don't recall that a clear answer was furnished, because I never learned who originated the first pantographs of any type (eg. distributer, frame maker, trademark holder, etc). I cant' forget my opinion at the time that if no trademark was infringed on, it hardly mattered who pantographed the part, as long as no false claim was made as to provenance.

Now, a question arises about not just wiping out an ostentatious decal / label, but putting a redundant label on a limited-lifespan product, so that at a distance, the bike on which it is mounted looks original, which cannot happen without the tires looking to be authentically what they are not.

I know from long reading that Don would always disclose that the tires were home-relabeled, and not period-originals in extraordinary condition. And, the real provenance of all tires is molded in. But, I'd be interested in understanding how relabeling tires is different than pantographing a period-correct Campagnolo chainring with the untrademarked origin-name of of the frame-set.

I'd also tag onto this thread and ask how to put a tan on the cheeks of solid black tires. Stop dressing them with high SPF sun-block?

Harry Travis New Jersey USA

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:25 PM, donald gillies <gillies@ece.ubc.ca> wrote:
> Rather than waste time debating whether something is off-topic, I
> will answer the question and then raise an on-topic question.
>
> 1. To remove sidewall logos, I find that acetone will dissolve just
> about anything. Be careful to apply masking tape around the logo
> to avoid removing unnecessary sidewall material !!
>
> Now for an on-topic question :
>
> 2. I would like to take a modern tire, remove the logos, and affix a
> vintage logo where the original logos originally appeared. Is
> there some material that I can use which can be made to stick to
> the sidewalls of a bicycle tire? Or does it have to be basically
> vulcanized to the tire at the manufacturing time?
>
> ====
>
> Anyone done this ??
>
> - Don Gillies
> San Diego, CA, uSA