Re: [CR] Can anyone ID this frame? (Fake Colnago)

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From: <FujiFish1@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 10:57:59 -0500
To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Cc: joethaihols@hotmail.co.uk
Subject: Re: [CR] Can anyone ID this frame? (Fake Colnago)


These specific frames have been discussed several times on this list over the years while I have been a member. I could only recall that it was made by a completely different company, perhaps in Belgium or Germany, and has no relation to Colnago in any way, shape or form. The distinctive give-away for me is the little circle at the bottom of the club base. I didn't respond to this thread sooner because I figured someone who knew the origins and company name would chime in, but alas, no one has.

Nonetheless, you will find a host of related posts if you perform a Bikelist Archives search (http://search.bikelist.org/) with everything you see in the following, EXCEPT the parenthesis:

("colnago" and "fake").

This is telling the system to show all posts containing the word colnago, and the word fake, written in any given order or orientation. However, you will have to sift through lots of posts pertaining to fake Colnago pantographed parts.

I did the search, and came up with a most revealing thread in the first page or two, noting that the bike is made by a Belgian company named Reuter. The first link that Greg R. from Cycleart supplies, still works, and shows that distinctive clover with circle at bottom. See the thread copied after my signoff, but above the current postings. Then, go do a search for Reuter and see what you can find. The archives is our friend!

Ciao, Mark Agree Southfield MI USA ~ ~ ~:

(begin archive thread) Archive-URL: http://search.bikelist.org/getmsg.asp?Filename=classicrendezvous.10806.0918.eml Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:42:09 -0700 From: "Justin LaBo" <color71(AT)gmail.com> Subject: _Re: [CR]Router in Poland_ (http://search.bikelist.org/query.asp?SearchString="Router+in+Poland"&SearchPrefix=@msgsubject&SortBy=MsgDate[a])

Yep. Those are the same ones found on my Godefroot track bike. They all appear to be found on the same longpoint, Cinelli lugs. BEHOLD: http://www.flickr.com/photos/color71/2573415841/

Does anybody know the Belgian builder responsible?

-Justin LaBo Oakland, CA

On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 3:30 PM, CyclArt Shop <shop(AT)cyclart.com> wrote:
> Those Reuter cutouts look identical to the ones on the fake Colnago being
> recently discussed.
> Behold:
> http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc169/dosbrina/ebay/colnagosuper/IMG_6541
> .jpg
> http://rowerownia.ovh.org/allegro/FOTO3/0806RUTER/DSCF9541.JPG
>
> Greg Reiche
> CyclArt
> Vista, CA USA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: classicrendezvous-bounces(AT)bikelist.org
> [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces(AT)bikelist.org]On Behalf Of Justin LaBo
> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 3:01 PM
> To: CR
> Subject: Re: [CR]Router in Poland
>
>
> George and list,
>
> I'm very curious about this bike. It's actually a "Reuter". According
> to the headbadge, the marquee was based in St. Vith in Belgium. What's
> interesting are the clover cutouts in the Cinelli lugs. They are NOT
> the Colnago clovers, but very similar. I actually have a Walter
> Godefroot track bike with identical cutouts. As some of you may know,
> Godefroot was from Belgium. I've been unsuccessful in determining who
> was responsible for building the Godefroot bikes, but the similarities
> between these two marquees bikes has piqued my interest.
>
> Does anybody know about Reuter? Does anybody know who responsible for
> those non-Colnago clover cutouts?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Justin "Do you speak Belgian?" LaBo
> Oakland, CA
>
> On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 7:59 AM, George Allen <jgallen(AT)lexairinc.com> wrote:
>> Interesting bike in Poland. This guy has been selling a few nice bikes
>> lately but I am skeptical of buying from behind the former iron curtain.
>> What I like best about the auction though is the first picture of the bike
>> with Polish Pit Bull looking on amidst a somber Soviet era backdrop. Check
>> out his other auction.
>>
>> Bay Item # 250262627039
>> URL:
>>
> http://ebay.com/<blah>
> QitemZ250262627039QQihZ015QQcategoryZ159000QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZView
> Item
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> George Allen
>> Lexington, Kentucky
>> USA (end of archive thread)

Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 02:02:20 -0800 From: John D Proch <johnprochss@yahoo.com> Subject: [CR] Fw: Can anyone ID this frame? To: _classicrendezvous@bikelist.org_ (mailto:classicrendezvous@bikelist.org)

----- Forwarded Message ---- From: John D Proch <johnprochss@yahoo.com> To: joe mcdoogle <joethaihols@hotmail.co.uk> Sent: Thu, December 3, 2009 4:01:40 AM Subject: Re: [CR] Can anyone ID this frame?

Hi Joseph,

The fork (I believe) was only available with the flat front and rear top vertical faces of the fork crown in 72-73 Colnago. But......The 72 - 73 with the 3 clubs in the frame lugs had club only on the top surface of the fork crown (no Colnago word). The only top fork crown in earlier Colnago that had no Colnago markings had a vertical front and rear face of not flat, but convex surfaces. I know just enough about Colnago to get myself in trouble but if the clubs are for real someone ruined a frame with the internal brake cable customization. Or is it a Colnago really?

John Proch La Grange, Texas

________________________________ From: joe mcdoogle <joethaihols@hotmail.co.uk> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Sent: Tue, December 1, 2009 5:45:24 AM Subject: [CR] Can anyone ID this frame?

Hi list members,

I was hoping someone here may be able to help me ID this frame:

http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae247/joe1983_photos/IMG_3874.jpg http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae247/joe1983_photos/IMG_3875.jpg http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae247/joe1983_photos/IMG_3876.jpg http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae247/joe1983_photos/IMG_3877.jpg http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae247/joe1983_photos/IMG_3878.jpg http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae247/joe1983_photos/IMG_3879.jpg http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae247/joe1983_photos/IMG_3881.jpg

It is currently badged up as a Colnago but the clover cutouts on the lugs do not have the normal flat base that one would expect. I have included pictures of the main detailing on the frame, it has a Cinelli investment cast bottom bracket shell and Campagnolo dropouts. Unsure as to whether the fork is original. In any case it is a nice frame but It would be nice to know a little more about it.

Regards,

Joseph Headd
Manchester
England