Re: [CR] Shill bidding pattern?

(Example: Humor)

Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:35:48 -0800
From: "verktyg" <verktyg@aol.com>
To: <haxixe@gmail.com>, <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
References: <CE2CEE6E36824087812B99ACD7D4CC4C@ToshibaLaptop> <58A4F000C50F4038A6C184757C7D0003@QWERTY28> <75d04b480912111102w12e4081brba98e03ae327b683@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <75d04b480912111102w12e4081brba98e03ae327b683@mail.gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [CR] Shill bidding pattern?


That's been a problem with eBay ever since they started hiding every bidder's ID.

It's supposed to protect us from scams. While it may protect a few inexperienced or not too bright bidders, what it really does is protect shillers!

I stop bidding or don't bid when I see someone with no feedback or who has a lot of bid retractions running the price up!

Have you ever tried to do a bid retraction???

Chas. Colerich Oakland, CA USA

Kurt Sperry wrote:
> Disappointing to learn tdvlondon may be a dishonest vendor as he has
> consistently interesting items up for auction.
>
> Caveat emptor as always,
>
> Kurt Sperry
> Bellingham, Washington
> USA
>
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Jon M. Crate <Jon@fai.us> wrote:
>> Steven,
>>
>> I looked into it and believe you are completely correct that this is a clear
>> case of abuse.
>> Bidder 2 from the first auction has over 80 and Bidder 5 from the second has
>> over 50 - all with the same seller only (This is the most recent 30 days!).
>> They have 13 and 8 "wins" and yet both have zero feedback.
>>
>> This other frame was also "won by the same Bidder 5 - now Bidder 3:
>> http://ebay.com/<blah>
>> http://ebay.com/<blah
>> &item=170414622457
>> which reappeared for sale here:
>> http://ebay.com/<blah>
>> http://ebay.com/<blah
>> &item=170417817926
>>
>> If there is a good explanation - it would be interesting to hear
>>
>> Jon I smell a fish Crate
>> Marietta, Georgia
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> Steven Maasland
>> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 11:20 AM
>> To: CR
>> Subject: [CR] Shill bidding pattern?
>>
>> About one week ago, I pointed out a Chesini frame that was up for sale. It was
>> bid up to an amount that would still have made the frame purchase what I believe
>> to have been quite a good deal. Oddly enough, the same frame popped up once more
>> this week, even though it had apparently sold the last time. I therefore checked
>> into the bidding pattern of both the last auction as well as the relisting and
>> lo and behold a truly strange bidding pattern turns up.
>>
>> In auction http://ebay.com/<blah>
>> check out bidder 2 (the winning bidder) although he has been an ebay member for
>> 2-3 years, he has absolutely no feedback and has apparently bid only on items of
>> one single seller.
>>
>> In the relisting
>> http://ebay.com/<blah>
>> bidder 5, looks curiously similar to bidder 2 of the previous auction. Again no
>> feedback and only bids placed are on objects put up for sale by one single
>> seller.
>>
>> Am I reading too much into this or does something really stink here?
>>
>> Steven Maasland
>> Moorestown, NJ
>> USA