Re: [CR] Possible Raleigh TI Replica??? Frame on Craigslist Atlanta

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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:51:24 +0000
From: "Hilary Stone" <hilary.stone@blueyonder.co.uk>
To: donald gillies <gillies@ece.ubc.ca>
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Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: Re: [CR] Possible Raleigh TI Replica??? Frame on Craigslist Atlanta


In fact its quite a bit more complicated still... And I certainly don't know it all yet by any means.

So I have added comments to Don's list below.

Hilary Stone, Bristol, British Isles

donald gillies wrote:
> In fact, Raleigh made just about EVERY level of bike in the team color
> scheme. Here are most of the examples, with (a) The model name (b)
> The frame design (repaint of which raleigh bike?), (c) tubing used:
>
> (a) Team 753 / Raleigh-Pro / made at Ilkeston
> identified by dropout holes, ~1800 gram weight (56cm) Raleigh would still spray 753 frames as late as 1988 in the red and black Team colours - from 1983 the 753 frames did not have drilled dropouts.
> (b) Team 531 / Raleigh-Pro / 531 Professional Tubing, made at Ilkeston
> ~1900 gram weight (56cm)
> (c) Team 531 / Raleigh-Pro / 531 Competition tubing, made at Ilkeston
> identified by dropout holes / BB slits
> yellow head tube, almost never (SN# < ~100) 531 Competition tubing did not exist until 1983. There were lots of variations on the early (pre 1977) frames built at Ilkeston. Most were built from standard 531 double butted tubing, a few I suspect from 531SL.
> (d) Team Record / Raleigh-Pro / 531 throughout, made at Worksop
> identified by 3 wide BB cutouts 1983 Team Replicas did not have three bottom bracket slots and either had shot-on stays or ones with the oversize caps.

Sometimes these frames were badged up as Professional in Team colours.


> (f) Record (script on top tube) / Raleigh-Competition/ 531 throughout
> made at worksop for sale on the European continent
> identified by washer brazed onto rear bridge Earliest one I have seen is 1976 - latest about 1980, they were built at Worksop. Larger clearances than Team Replicas. A variation on this was the Rapide sometimes I believe with full 531 DB and sometimes with 531 plain gauge main tubes.
>
> (g) Raleigh Europa / Gransport / 531 db main tubes & forks (U.K. only)
> washer on rear bridge, maybe Suntour dropouts, i forget.
> yellow head tube, almost always Gran Sport on UK market in the early 80s was a full 531 DB frame which could be had in Team colours - distingushed by standard flat seatstay cap or concave seatstay top. And the Competition could be had at least one year in Team colours I think.
>
> (h) Raleigh Record / Record / 1020 carbon steel
> Bocama lugs, no derailleur hanger
> stamped fork crown
> yellow head tube, almost always
> also, a blue & yellow model was made.
> also supplied in team panasonic colors
>
> I am wondering if they ever made a 531 plain-gauge main tubes bike? was it:
> (i) Raleigh Scorpio? / Supercourse / 531 plain gauge 3 main tubes, (U.K. only)

>

>

>

> - Don Gillies

> San Diego, CA, USA