Re: [CR] "Bisbee Bike Brothel" - a put-off?

(Example: Framebuilders:Rene Herse)

From: "kevin sayles" <kevinsayles@tiscali.co.uk>
To: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>, <hsachs@alumni.rice.edu>, Mike Schmidt <mdschmidt56@verizon.net>
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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:13:13 +0000
Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org, kwallace62@cox.net
Subject: Re: [CR] "Bisbee Bike Brothel" - a put-off?


Brings a whole new meaning to the term 'bike porn' I guess.........

Woodrup cycles shop is in a parade of shops about 3 or 4 shops down from what you would call a brothel [a local term would be 'knocking shop']........at the rate Steve Woodrup is extending the bike shop it might soon be possible to create a doorway straight into the 'brothel'!!......wonder if he'd change the sign saying 'please use rear entry!'

cheers
Kevin Sayles
Bridgwater Somerset UK


----- Original Message -----
From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos
To: hsachs@alumni.rice.edu
Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: [CR] "Bisbee Bike Brothel" - a put-off?


Perfectly good and amusing name, particularly since I understand the historic building in which it is housed was indeed a brothel. The truth about the history of the American West is that the obligatory public buildings to make a place a town were the jail, the church, the saloon and the brothel. Our history is what it is, not what we might like it to be. Are the T-Shirts still available?

Regards,

Jerry Moos
Big Spring, Texas, USA


--- On Sat, 12/19/09, Mike Schmidt wrote:


> From: Mike Schmidt <mdschmidt56@verizon.net>

\r?\n> Subject: Re: [CR] "Bisbee Bike Brothel" - a put-off?

\r?\n> To: "hsachs@alumni.rice.edu" <hsachs@alumni.rice.edu>

\r?\n> Cc: "<classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>,

\r?\n> "<kwallace62@cox.net>" <kwallace62@cox.net>

\r?\n> Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 9:07 AM

\r?\n> Harvey, I like the name. Gives

\r?\n> the shop special character too. I also had fun wearing

\r?\n> the tee shirt in Las Vegas where the hotel concierge asked

\r?\n> me if they had made the reservation for me there.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Customers come first at Ken's shop.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Mike Schmidt

\r?\n> Millington, New Jersey

\r?\n> Sent from my iPhone

\r?\n>

\r?\n> On Dec 19, 2009, at 8:01 AM, Harvey Sachs <hmsachs@verizon.net>

\r?\n> wrote:

\r?\n>

\r?\n> > I'm not sure I have Ken's email address, I've used the

\r?\n> most recent one I found. Ken has a beautiful

\r?\n> collection, one to be proud of.

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> > But somehow, I feel uncomfortable about the name Ken

\r?\n> has chosen for his shop and collection, and thought I'd

\r?\n> finally try to share that with him. So, please forward this

\r?\n> if the address above is wrong. And because this is

\r?\n> tangentially related to our topic domain, let's not get into

\r?\n> a long discussion on the list.

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> > "brothel" just has too many unpleasant connotations in

\r?\n> my mind to be used humorously. Too much history of

\r?\n> exploitation and servitude. I can't imagine, for example,

\r?\n> naming a shop "Greg's Gulag". or "Harvey's Harem for

\r?\n> Bikes."

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> > More important to me, it just doesn't describe my

\r?\n> relationship to my vintage bikes. My bikes are not just

\r?\n> "rented" for a short time, but long-term relationships. I've

\r?\n> had several bikes three decades or more. Each is cherished

\r?\n> for its ride and for what it speaks about some specific

\r?\n> aspect of the hobby. The '38 Paramount was launch year for a

\r?\n> great product, and the JC Higgins/Sears with original Campag

\r?\n> stuff duplicates my first 10-speed. The Serotta was the last

\r?\n> of the lugged production bikes. Each has a story that means

\r?\n> something to me.

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> > There are other approaches and attitudes, but I think

\r?\n> all of us on the list invest time and money out of love, not

\r?\n> need.

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> > I'm not a prude, and I've shared my stock of the

\r?\n> risque. If Ken's building was a brothel way back when,

\r?\n> I'd probably put up a plaque on its history if it were

\r?\n> mine. But, I have a sense of how my wife would feel if I

\r?\n> suggested visiting the shop by that name. I'd have to do

\r?\n> some explaining. And her seven sisters? I think the same.

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> > just my thought this holiday season.

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> > harvey sachs

\r?\n> > mcLean va