Re: [CR] "Bisbee Bike Brothel" - a put-off?

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From: "John" <jtperry330@me.com>
To: <hsachs@alumni.rice.edu>
In-Reply-To: <4B2CCE93.9010202@verizon.net>
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:24:05 -0700
References: <4B2CCE93.9010202@verizon.net>
Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org, kwallace62@cox.net
Subject: Re: [CR] "Bisbee Bike Brothel" - a put-off?


Dearest List,

I like it!

John T.Pergolizzi San Diego, Ca

P.S.

This however is my OPINION. And since we live in a country governed by LAWS, me liking that name has NOTHING to do with it. Some how Mr.Sachs feels the need to share his"uncomfortability" with the rest of us and not Ken only; tantamount to hijacking the list devoted to the vintage scene. That makes ME uncomfortable. Looking to the court of public opinion for personal justification? But then again, I also like "Harvey's Harem". So many more pressing problems in the world to devote brain electrical action, and more importantly REAL action to bettering. Harvey, if these are your thoughts this holiday season, I strongly suggest you , and everyone else on this list take a look at this story:

http://www.1010wins.com/Bikers-in-the-Buff-to-Protest-Demise-of-B-klyn-Bik/5928396

At what cost the rights of the whole to acquiesce to the sensibilities/desires of the individual?

Either we loosen up or ban the word, ban the book, then get Fahrenheit 451

JMHO Johnny where I rode my 75 Benotto track bike on the velodrome today. Now going out to The Ferrari Club annual dinner with a really HOT chick! Hummmmm!

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On Dec 19, 2009, at 6:01 AM, Harvey Sachs wrote:
> I'm not sure I have Ken's email address, I've used the most recent
> one I found. Ken has a beautiful collection, one to be proud of.
>
> But somehow, I feel uncomfortable about the name Ken has chosen for
> his shop and collection, and thought I'd finally try to share that
> with him. So, please forward this if the address above is wrong.
> And because this is tangentially related to our topic domain, let's
> not get into a long discussion on the list.
>
> "brothel" just has too many unpleasant connotations in my mind to be
> used humorously. Too much history of exploitation and servitude. I
> can't imagine, for example, naming a shop "Greg's Gulag". or
> "Harvey's Harem for Bikes."
>
> More important to me, it just doesn't describe my relationship to my
> vintage bikes. My bikes are not just "rented" for a short time, but
> long-term relationships. I've had several bikes three decades or
> more. Each is cherished for its ride and for what it speaks about
> some specific aspect of the hobby. The '38 Paramount was launch year
> for a great product, and the JC Higgins/Sears with original Campag
> stuff duplicates my first 10-speed. The Serotta was the last of the
> lugged production bikes. Each has a story that means something to me.
>
> There are other approaches and attitudes, but I think all of us on
> the list invest time and money out of love, not need.
>
> I'm not a prude, and I've shared my stock of the risque. If Ken's
> building was a brothel way back when, I'd probably put up a plaque
> on its history if it were mine. But, I have a sense of how my wife
> would feel if I suggested visiting the shop by that name. I'd have
> to do some explaining. And her seven sisters? I think the same.
>
> just my thought this holiday season.

>

> harvey sachs

> mcLean va