Re: [CR] Spanish Lacing pattern

(Example: Framebuilders:Rene Herse)

Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:18:42 -0700
From: <mrrabbit@mrrabbit.net>
To: <john@os2.dhs.org>, John Thompson <johndthompson@gmail.com>
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Cc: Jay S <jvs@sonic.net>, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: Re: [CR] Spanish Lacing pattern


Aesthetics...that's the game really with the fancy lacing styles...

There is one drawback with many if not all of the fancy lacing patterns in which multiple spokes interweave with each other immediately upon runinng out the holes and to the rim...

Break a spoke and you pretty much have detension the entire rim - dissemble a few "involved" spokes in order to replace the one broken spoke. This is particulary true of the lacing patttern that involves lacing and weaving spokes

in groups of six.

For my single speed customers I recommend to them up front to go with Phil or DT 2.3/2.0 butted spokes and aim for 103-110 kgf depending on the rim in order to help keep such an incident from happening until way down the line in the life of the wheel. (Cause if it involves a lacing that makes spoke replacement

tedious - it's a new wheel build charge - or pretty close to it...)

=8-)

Robert Shackelford San Jose, CA USA

Quoting John Thompson <johndthompson@gmail.com>:
> On 12/21/2009, Ken wrote:
>
> > My winter bike wheels (Normandy hubs and Mavic MA2 rims) have just come
> > back from the wheel shop after a respoke with Italian stainless spokes
> > to try and solve a clicking spoke issue. I note that the wheel builder
> > has employed a rather unusual technique to lace the spokes and he calls
> > this Spanish lace.
> > The Spanish lace appears to be a combination of radial spoke lacing and
> > 2X spoke lacing (forward and reverse) on adjacent spokes with all the
> > spoke heads being inserted from the inside face of the hub flange.
> >
> > A picture of this hub and spoke weave can be found at
> >
> >
> http://li6qpa.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pf91nQfOE2vYTllz374vtHqAZZC2jK2rPuhra46hDm xJP8bZsAQsnv8QrBGZVPOFU3tTbFcWOeoQNndOGU9RhyepmWDFf64S2/Spanish%20Lace.jpg
> >
> >
> > I wonder why the wheel builder has chosen to employ this lace pattern
> > other than as a cure for 3X lacing boredom ?
> >
> > Are any technical advantages or disadvantages known about this spoke
> > lace pattern ?
>
> That looks like the pattern hipsters refer to as "crow's foot":
> http://spokeanwheel.110mb.com/crows_foot_3x.gif
>
> It is claimed to be stronger and lighter, but I'm not aware of any
> reputable tests demonstrating this. It does require two different length
> spokes for front wheels (one length for the tangential spokes, the other
> for the radial), and perhaps up to four different length on a rear wheel
> (two lengths for the drive side, two slightly longer lengths for the
> non-drive side).
>
> I suspect the primary reason for doing this pattern is aesthetic.
>
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>
> -John Thompson (john@os2.dhs.org)
> Appleton WI USA
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