Re: [CR] Spanish Lacing pattern

(Example: Framebuilders:Cecil Behringer)

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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:45:47 -0700
From: "Doug Van Cleve" <dvancleve@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [CR] Spanish Lacing pattern


This isn't particularly on topic but I guess it isn't OT either. That guy seems to have done a lot of calculating and a fair amount of wheel building (http://spokeanwheel.110mb.com/lacing.htm) and he thinks a combo of 3x crow's foot on the drive side and 2x conventional lacing on the non-drive side builds the strongest rear wheel. I have done this wheel, but lost interest in tubulars and sold it without ever trying it...

Doug Van Cleve Chandler, AZ USA

On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 10:29 AM, John Thompson <johndthompson@gmail.com>wrote:
> On 12/21/2009, Ken wrote:
>
> > My winter bike wheels (Normandy hubs and Mavic MA2 rims) have just come
> > back from the wheel shop after a respoke with Italian stainless spokes
> > to try and solve a clicking spoke issue. I note that the wheel builder
> > has employed a rather unusual technique to lace the spokes and he calls
> > this Spanish lace.
> > The Spanish lace appears to be a combination of radial spoke lacing and
> > 2X spoke lacing (forward and reverse) on adjacent spokes with all the
> > spoke heads being inserted from the inside face of the hub flange.
> >
> > A picture of this hub and spoke weave can be found at
> >
> >
> http://li6qpa.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pf91nQfOE2vYTllz374vtHqAZZC2jK2rPuhra46hDmxJP8bZsAQsnv8QrBGZVPOFU3tTbFcWOeoQNndOGU9RhyepmWDFf64S2/Spanish%20Lace.jpg
> >
> >
> > I wonder why the wheel builder has chosen to employ this lace pattern
> > other than as a cure for 3X lacing boredom ?
> >
> > Are any technical advantages or disadvantages known about this spoke
> > lace pattern ?
>
> That looks like the pattern hipsters refer to as "crow's foot":
> http://spokeanwheel.110mb.com/crows_foot_3x.gif
>
> It is claimed to be stronger and lighter, but I'm not aware of any
> reputable tests demonstrating this. It does require two different length
> spokes for front wheels (one length for the tangential spokes, the other
> for the radial), and perhaps up to four different length on a rear wheel
> (two lengths for the drive side, two slightly longer lengths for the
> non-drive side).
>
> I suspect the primary reason for doing this pattern is aesthetic.
>
> --
>
> -John Thompson (john@os2.dhs.org)
> Appleton WI USA