All this discussion about Wilier reminds me of a classified ad I answered years ago (early 80's?). The guy had several bikes and frames for sale, including a copper looking frame with (I think, Nervex lugs). I looked at him as though he had 2 heads..."...a frame built of copper?" I asked. Of course, I passed on the frame. A copper frame. How dumb can you get.
Pat Moffat Tempe Arizona USA Wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then...