Re: [CR] Baylis "Bates Volante" inspired copy?

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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 03:34:10 +0000
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Subject: Re: [CR] Baylis "Bates Volante" inspired copy?


Yes, as far as I know they are Len Phipps creations. I have, and have ha d quite a number of these sets of various types. Like I say, I have a bo x full of blanks. If you know how I can contact him I would appreciate k nowing how to get in touch with him. If he's interested in working up a few more I can provide the raw material.

Brian Baylis
La Mesa, CA

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From: Rob Williams
Subject: Re: [CR] Baylis "Bates Volante" inspired copy?
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:56:37 -0700

Where these Len Phipps lugs do you think? Is Len still with us and filin
Rob Williams
Sunny and snowy in Seattle

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In this case Sterling provided me with the lugs which I believe were pur

chased from Martin Coopland or Ray Etherton. The lugs are stamped from H

ayden blanks and finished by hand as far as I know. There are a number o

f lug patterns that used to be available from England that used the same

blank lugs to start with. From what I understand, the lug blanks are in

short supply or no longer available. I just happen to have a box full o

f the blank lugs that I purchased a while ago. ;-)

I don't know if there were more photos than just the two I saw that Ster

ling posted, but there needs to be some closer detail shots to see the r

eal effect. I did modify the lugs slightly from the stampings, so they a

ren't quite exactly like the ones used on the Bates frames. The crown is

a Pacenti IC crown, slightly altered. The Bates you showed has round fo

rk blades. Sterling's frame has continental oval road fork blades.

Thanks for the photos of your Bates. That's a nice bike and Ron Cooper h

as been one of my favorite British builders since the early 70's.

Brian Baylis
La Mesa, CA
San Diego Custom Bicycle Show 2010

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From: Kevin Kruger
Subject: [CR] Baylis "Bates Volante" inspired copy?
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:25:32 -0700

Hi Sterling,

Your Baylis looks very nice! Were you seeking a "Bates" style replica , a s your frame looks like a copy of the lugwork on my Ron Cooper built "Ba

tes Volante" purchased from England.

Here's the address for photos of my contemporary Bates posted on Wool Je

rse y:

Looks like the same lugs, fork crown, and brake bridge treatment sans th

e 5 31 Cantiflex tubing and Diadrant fork blades.

Regards, Kevin Kruger - Grantville, PA