Re: [CR] Very strange but absolutely true! Caminade Redux

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Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 06:56:35 -0400
From: Edward Albert <>
To: Jan Heine <>
Subject: Re: [CR] Very strange but absolutely true! Caminade Redux

Jan, I would also like to know why in one correspondence with me in my response to my observation that a pre-war British catalog add for Caminades showed both pointed and rounded flutes you responded that such catalogs were often unreliable because they were "touched up." You words:

"Catalogue images are hard to use, because they often have been retouched more extensively than you think. It took us a while to figure out whether the Delangle tandem in "The Competition Bicycle" was the one used for the hour record or not. We finally concluded that it was - it had the correct provenance, but some minor details seemed to be different, until we realized that they probably were retouched in the photos."

Now you seem to take the Stronglight catalog as gospel. I am confused.

Edward Albert Chappaqua, New York, U.S.A.

On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Jan Heine <> wrote:
> At 3:18 PM -0400 5/17/09, Edward Albert wrote:
> An absolutely original
>> (except saddle) Caminade Caminarget track bike serial #573, Stronglight
>> inch
>> pitch track cranks, Caminade bars and stem, and.....Caminade wheels
>> (although the rear is in rough shape with several spokes pulled out
>> through
>> the rim). Rims have Caminade decals in tact and............the downtube
>> has
>> two perfect (although dirty) Caminargent decals. I never thought they
>> even
>> existed in the flesh. Additionally, contrary to what some have said, the
>> lugs were filled in with Red (oxidized) paint and the cranks had pointed
>> flutes -- the bike is pre-war the parts original. I would say that the
>> idea
>> that rounded flutes mean pre-war and pointed post is not, in fact, the
>> case.
> Wow! Congratulations. That seems like a really, really neat bike. Much
> better than the over-polished e-bay machine with its cobbled-together parts,
> many of which were bought separately on e-bay in recent months... (A
> listmember sent me all the various auctions that the seller won to
> "complete" your bike.) In any case, the e-bay Caminargent has mis-matched
> cranks... one with rounded, one with pointed flutes.
> I agree on the red paint in the headlug windows - the Caminargent in "The
> Competition Bicycle" has that as well, and it doesn't look like that one has
> been messed with a lot.
> Regarding the pre-war Stronglight cranks: When you look at Stronglight ads
> from pre-war, they all show the rounded flutes. For example, see
> and click on the bottom left page. In addition, all verifiable pre-war
> Stronglight cranks have the rounded flutes.
> Do you have a date for your latest bike? History? It is possible that some
> pre-war Stronglight cranks matched the post-war pattern, but it's just as
> likely that your bike was upgraded after the war, or even is a post-war
> machine... I don't think anybody _knows_ the Caminargent serial number
> pattern.
> In any case, I'll be very happy to see the new Caminargent at the Cirque.
> We can discuss the cranks then.
> Jan Heine
> Editor
> Bicycle Quarterly
> 140 Lakeside Ave #C
> Seattle WA 98122