I don't usually get involved in this type of argument but feel like I must put in my two cents. This guy is so clueless it is pathetic. He is right only about one thing. Grocery store and department store bikes are pretty much worthless and that seems to be the total extent of his knowledge of bicycles. He probably has never heard of a Colnago or Masi let alone any of American handmade builders. So I must ask, Why was this jackass even given space on this discussion group and why are we wasting even a nano-second on his ignorance. I could not even finish reading his so called rant and wonder why anyone would. It is my opinion that should never even been listed. Mike Howard Santa Fe Springs CA