Re: [CR] ... Claud Butler New Allrounder ...

(Example: Framebuilding:Restoration)

Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 13:00:05 -0800
From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, Peter Brueggeman <4peebee@peterbrueggeman.com>
In-Reply-To: <EE9E770C6141474CB890400CBFB18FFC@AD.UCSD.EDU>
Subject: Re: [CR] ... Claud Butler New Allrounder ...


Thanks Peter, looking in the 1954 catalog, I can't find the language I thought I remembered, implying 1954 was the first yaer for the bilaminate Allrounder. Seems it was 1950/1951. So a bilaminate bike with a 1950 serial number could be an Avant Coureur or a New Allrounder. I guess 531DB would mean Avant Coureur, straight gauge Allrounder, but tube deacls can be changed, of course.

Regards,

Jerry Moos


--- On Fri, 1/8/10, Peter Brueggeman <4peebee@peterbrueggeman.com> wrote:


> From: Peter Brueggeman <4peebee@peterbrueggeman.com>

\r?\n> Subject: Re: [CR] ... Claud Butler New Allrounder ...

\r?\n> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

\r?\n> Date: Friday, January 8, 2010, 2:18 PM

\r?\n> Jerry Moos asks "...Can anyone

\r?\n> confirm or refute my theory that the early 50's Avant

\r?\n> Coureur used a lug pattern similar to the later New

\r?\n> Allrounder?..."

\r?\n>

\r?\n>

\r?\n> The New Allrounder appeared in the 1951 Claud Butler

\r?\n> catalog, covering bikes produced Nov 1950 to Oct 1951

\r?\n> roughly. New lineups were shown at the Earls Court show in

\r?\n> November.

\r?\n> At that time, the New Allrounder took over the previous

\r?\n> Avant Coureur hatchet-lug design, and the Avant Coureur took

\r?\n> on a new bilaminate lug design

\r?\n>

\r?\n> The Allrounder previously was a fillet brazed bike, and

\r?\n> became a bilaminate fillet brazed bike when it became the

\r?\n> New Allrounder.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Look at catalogues at http://www.nkilgariff.com/

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Correct me if I have something wrong.....Peter

\r?\n>

\r?\n> ..........

\r?\n> Peter Brueggeman

\r?\n> La Jolla California USA

\r?\n> 4peebee(at)peterbrueggeman.com