Re: [CR] Buying on the cheap

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:48:53 -0800
From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, David Kulcinski <dkulcinski@yahoo.com>
In-Reply-To: <626349.11556.qm@web57409.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [CR] Buying on the cheap


If it is the original Super Sport, i.e. fillet brazed CroMoly, produced up until the mid/late 70's, those have seen some renewed interest the last crouple of yeras, so I would say $150 for a clean mostly original example would be a bargain.

Regards,

Jerry Moos
Big Spring, Texas, USA


--- On Tue, 1/19/10, David Kulcinski wrote:


> From: David Kulcinski <dkulcinski@yahoo.com>

\r?\n> Subject: Re: [CR] Buying on the cheap

\r?\n> To: "Classic Rendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>

\r?\n> Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 1:38 PM

\r?\n> Is it allowed (bad form) to inquire

\r?\n> of the list about pricing for ON-TOPIC objects; i.e. is $150

\r?\n> a reasonable price for a Schwinn, Super Sport that looks

\r?\n> really clean?

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\r?\n> Thank you,

\r?\n>

\r?\n>

\r?\n> David Kulcinski

\r?\n> Orange, CA

\r?\n>

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\r?\n> ________________________________

\r?\n> From: Stephen James <sj52@hotmail.com>

\r?\n> To: tom@orderandchaos.com;

\r?\n> Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>

\r?\n> Sent: Mon, January 18, 2010 2:56:49 PM

\r?\n> Subject: Re: [CR] Buying on the cheap

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\r?\n>

\r?\n> Hi All,

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\r?\n>

\r?\n> I bought a 1960s Frejus for $500 about 2 years ago, just

\r?\n> before I joined the CR list.  The seller was moving,

\r?\n> had another Frejus (that was too small for me to ride, but

\r?\n> offered at $2500), and he even offered me some built Dura

\r?\n> Ace wheels --since the Frejus had Campies.  I turned

\r?\n> down the extras, since I felt I was getting a deal.  It

\r?\n> was a deal for me because I wanted to recapture a Frejus

\r?\n> from my youth.  The price was secondary.  I would

\r?\n> have paid more.  Anyway, I did research on the bike and

\r?\n> sent it to the seller, as well. 

\r?\n>

\r?\n>

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Anyway, after I joined this list, I got a better idea of

\r?\n> how prized these bikes were and the prices people were

\r?\n> willing to spend.  I don't feel guilty about my

\r?\n> pruchase, at any rate.  However, a few weeks ago, I saw

\r?\n> on ebay a Frejus (frame only, in relatively poor --imo--

\r?\n> condition) that the seller wanted $1700 for.  At the

\r?\n> time, I thought it was a rip off; I almost posted on

\r?\n> it.  However, was the seller right?  Was he

\r?\n> following the market trend, and assigning his bike the

\r?\n> market value?  Who exactly determines the value of the

\r?\n> item, except the buyer?  I'm not sure if it's ethical

\r?\n> to tell a seller that he/she should raise his price. 

\r?\n> Imo, third parties have no business in the

\r?\n> transaction.  If someone is offering something for a

\r?\n> low price, simply offer more or what it is thought to be

\r?\n> worth.  There are people who might desire an item but

\r?\n> really not have the kind of cash to buy it at market

\r?\n> price.  That's often why they hit craigslist and ebay

\r?\n> in the first

\r?\n> place.

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\r?\n>

\r?\n> Fwiw, I do agree that it would be unscrupulous to haggle

\r?\n> with a widow who's selling her husband's Confente for

\r?\n> $25.  But, I think that'd be cheating on the verge of

\r?\n> theft.  I couldn't say exactly where the line is.

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\r?\n> Regards,

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Steve James

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Bronx, NY USA