Re: [CR] Nervex or Vagner fork crowns???

(Example: Framebuilders:Alberto Masi)

Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 17:35:37 -0400
From: "Jay Dubiel" <zoomdog@pure.net>
To: verktyg <verktyg@aol.com>
References: <4BA6174E.9080701@pure.net> <4BA68D79.8030905@aol.com>
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Cc: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: Re: [CR] Nervex or Vagner fork crowns???


Chas. Thanks for your reply. I'm still receiving conflicting Off List replies though. Some have said Nervex, some Vagner. One said it could have been a Maker other than those.

Jay Dubiel Halifax, VA USA

On 3/21/2010 5:19 PM, verktyg wrote:
> Greetings Jay,
>
> The orange fork has a Nervex DuBois style fork crown. The purple fork
> has what looks like a Nervex D/B.Randonneur Feature Cut No. 7 crown.
>
> Check out the 2 Nervex crowns at the bottom of the page in this link:
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/y8a38dx<
>
> Note, the Professional Racing Feature Cut No. 5 fork crown had the
> fancy "tines".
>
> The chevrons on the tops of Nervex crowns ended with a flat at the
> outside edge. They appear to have been stamped in when the crowns were
> being formed.
>
> Scroll down to the bottom of this excellent link on Nervex lugs. The
> top of the fork crown in the box of Nervex lugs show the chevrons
> clearly.
>
> >http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/components/nervex.html<
>
> Nervex also made DuBois fork crowns with smooth tops, sans chevrons.
> They were slightly "semi-sloping". Scroll down to the closeups on page 2:
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/ybhqn3q<
>
> Also, many Nervex crowns had V shaped blade supports on the inner
> surfaces like on the orange fork. The purple fork doesn't have that
> feature which would match the Feature Cut No. 7 crown.
>
> Wagner fork crowns had chevrons that came to a point. These crowns
> were also available with a flat top sans chevrons.
>
> They were were forged steel Nervex crowns were stamped from heavy gage
> steel sheet metal then welded across the bottom. See CR link for
> pictures of Wagner crowns:
>
> >http://www.classicrendezvous.com/France/wagner_fork_crowns.htm<
>
> I'm sure there were lots of exceptions to this information. Those
> crowns went through many changes and variations over the span of those
> company's life times. There were lots of knock-off crowns too.
>
> Chas. Colerich
> Oakland, CA USA
>
>
> Jay Dubiel wrote:
>> In the attached photo links to early 70's fork crowns, I have seen
>> these described/called Nervex and also Vagner. Did they copy each
>> other? If they did, are there distinctions between them to determine
>> which is which? Can someone one this list please identify and
>> clarify? Or maybe a member of the Frame Builders List ( of which I am
>> not a member ) can chime in?
>>
>> http://s517.photobucket.com/albums/u335/gypsybike/RESEARCH%20MATERIALS/?action=view&current=000acrown1.jpg
>>
>> http://s517.photobucket.com/albums/u335/gypsybike/RESEARCH%20MATERIALS/?action=view&current=000acrown2.jpg
>>
>> Jay Dubiel
>> Halifax, VA USA