Re: [CR] Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 87, Issue 72

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Need Correct BCD Info 60's/70's Pog (kevin sayles) 2. chain (lube) wars, redux (Harvey Sachs) 3. Re: chain (lube) wars, redux (Rich Pinder) 4. Re: WTB Late 1950's Milremo. (Mark Stevens) 5. Re: chain (lube) wars, redux (John Wood) 6. Re: chain (lube) wars, redux (Anthony Taylor) 7. Re: chain (lube) wars, redux (Kurt Sperry) 8. Re: Need Correct BCD Info 60's/70's Pog (Dale B. Phelps) 9. Re: chain (lube) wars, redux (Andrew R Stewart) 10. WTB: GB Shallow drop Touring bars (Dean Nixon) 11. Re: chain (lube) wars, redux (Rich Pinder) 12. Re: chain (lube) wars, redux (paccoastcycles) 13. Cinell Pista Ebay Auction - Market Slump (Nathan Cozzolino) 14. Re: chain (lube) wars, redux (Jean-Marie) 15. Re: Market Slump? (Otis Greer)

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Message: 1 Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 15:08:25 -0000 From: "kevin sayles" <kevinsayles@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: [CR] Need Correct BCD Info 60's/70's Pog To: "Jeffery Pyzyk" <jpyzyk@sbcglobal.net>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <9F7BD9BDCF824BE8AF5122995CDADAFE@kevinm> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original

I'd say you are correct Jeff regarding the 144 BCD cranks being introduced around 67/68........also, forget now who noticed that track cranks don't seem to be dated, but I checked my 'Piste' crankset from 1975 and sure enough they are not dated.

I'm not a Pogliaghi expert by any means.......but I think which ever period you chose...67 or earlier it sounds like you will have a desirable bike.

Should you choose the 151 BCD and Record rear gear version I would think you would need to fit the front gear with the chromed bronze arms and non slotted cable stop [a generation 2 front gear] as opposed to the type with alloy arms and slotted cable stop [gen 3].....and perhaps Universal mod 51 brakes...or even mod 61s? for it to be period consistent.

cheers Kevin Sayles Bridgwater Somerset UK

-------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeffery Pyzyk" <jpyzyk@sbcglobal.net> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 2:01 PM To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR] Need Correct BCD Info 60's/70's Pog
> Someone had mentioned that 144bcd cranks (Strada) had come into use by
> 1971. My understanding is that the 144bcd Strada cranksets came into use
> much earlier, in about 1968, with the introduction of the Nuovo Record
> group. They were not date coded until 1971 or so.
>
> I have the same, but more difficult question with my own, recently
> acquired strada Pogliaghi. It is number 9187, which I think puts it in
> the 1967/68 ish period. A prior owner had fitted period-conistent parts
> including a 144bcd crank (Pat. no date code), Pat. no date Nuovo Record
> rear derailleur, old Record front derailleur with cable stop, and
> Universal 68 side pulls. I think this would be perfect for a '68/'69
> built bike, but am wondering if the frameset actually dates a tad earlier.
> Also, curiously, this frameset does not have the hallmark diamonds cut
> into the lugs, but does have "PSM" in the seat tube and all other
> lugwork, fork crown, and workmanship of Pogliaghi of this period, also
> original paint and decals.
>
> I have a 151bcd crank and old Record rear derailleur that I could fit.
> Calling out to the Pogliaghi cognoscenti - what should I do?
>
> Jeff Pyzyk
> Milwaukee, WI
> _______________________________________________
>

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Message: 2 Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 11:35:55 -0400 From: Harvey Sachs <hmsachs@verizon.net> Subject: [CR] chain (lube) wars, redux To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <4BA63CDB.4080905@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed

For a decade or so, I've been using "ProLube" on the whole fleet, because it leaves the chain relatively clean and works well at low (commuting) temperatures.

Reluctantly, I find that it does not adequately protect the chains from rust in my garage. But, the bikes that need this protection generally don't get ridden in winter, so stiffness at low temp (a la wax) is not a big deal. What are vintagistas having good success with for the real riders, not the wall queens, but ones that are ridden mostly when it's well above freezing? Ease of use and relatively clean chain are important. If I wanted calf chain tatoos, I'd get a real one. :-)

harvey sachs mcLean va

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Message: 3 Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 10:44:39 -0500 From: Rich Pinder <rpinder@usc.edu> Subject: Re: [CR] chain (lube) wars, redux To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <4BA63EE7.7010309@usc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

oh, and easy question

RockNRollLube http://www.rocklube.com/

Longwhinded details ommitted...feed the fire... bring on the lube wars !

Rich Pinder travelin in: Chicago (should have brought a jacket), IL

Harvey Sachs wrote:
> For a decade or so, I've been using "ProLube" on the whole fleet,
> because it leaves the chain relatively clean and works well at low
> (commuting) temperatures.
>
> Reluctantly, I find that it does not adequately protect the chains
> from rust in my garage. But, the bikes that need this protection
> generally don't get ridden in winter, so stiffness at low temp (a la
> wax) is not a big deal. What are vintagistas having good success with
> for the real riders, not the wall queens, but ones that are ridden
> mostly when it's well above freezing? Ease of use and relatively
> clean chain are important. If I wanted calf chain tatoos, I'd get a
> real one. :-)
>
> harvey sachs
> mcLean va
> _______________________________________________
>

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Message: 4 Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 15:55:47 -0000 From: Mark Stevens <gillottspear@googlemail.com> Subject: Re: [CR] WTB Late 1950's Milremo. To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <57EC43271E07400C8D600975EE38EF21@mark2e3b6d0b55> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original

Thanks Peter, I wonder if these catalogues are available online anywhere? I would like to see what they look like. Probably TA type? I have found a pair of steel toeclips and have loads of bar end plugs. I am using a double chainring setup and would like to know if Milremo offered a double 5 pin ring setup. I was planning to use a TA adapter and rings. So now I would like to buy suitable half step gearing Milremo 5 pin rings and a freewheel if anyone has one for sale? Mark Stevens Evanton Scotland

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Message: 5 Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 09:58:00 -0600 From: John Wood <braxton72@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [CR] chain (lube) wars, redux To: hsachs@alumni.rice.edu Cc: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <28dcb8781003210858y23fe10a6p84e4ddf5faea3d4d@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Harvey Sachs <hmsachs@verizon.net> wrote:
> What are vintagistas having good success with for the real riders, not the
> wall queens, but ones that are ridden mostly when it's well above freezing?
> Ease of use and relatively clean chain are important. If I wanted calf
> chain tatoos, I'd get a real one. :-)

I use Dumonde Tech - Original in winter, Lite in summer. Long lasting and clean.

-- John Wood Open Road Bicycles Missoula, Montana, USA

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Message: 6 Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 09:00:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Anthony Taylor <ajft1942@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [CR] chain (lube) wars, redux To: hsachs@alumni.rice.edu, Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <325912.76335.qm@web84107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

I use "Chainlube 622" on all my bikes. I buy it for my motorcycles. It is thixotropic, so no lube splashes all over your bike. I spray it along the chain rollers when I return from a ride (backed up by a kitchen towl) then wipe off the excess with a rag. You now have a nice clean chain, lubed where it needs it. Holds up well in the wet. On a bicycle, 2 or 3 times a season is sufficient.

Tony Taylor Manchester, NH

________________________________ From: Harvey Sachs <hmsachs@verizon.net> To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Sent: Sun, March 21, 2010 11:35:55 AM Subject: [CR] chain (lube) wars, redux

For a decade or so, I've been using "ProLube" on the whole fleet, because it leaves the chain relatively clean and works well at low (commuting) temperatures.

Reluctantly, I find that it does not adequately protect the chains from rust in my garage. But, the bikes that need this protection generally don't get ridden in winter, so stiffness at low temp (a la wax) is not a big deal.? What are vintagistas having good success with for the real riders, not the wall queens, but ones that are ridden mostly when it's well above freezing?? Ease of use and relatively clean chain are important. If I wanted calf chain tatoos, I'd get a real one. :-)

harvey sachs mcLean va _______________________________________________

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Message: 7 Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 09:01:29 -0700 From: Kurt Sperry <haxixe@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [CR] chain (lube) wars, redux To: John Wood <braxton72@gmail.com> Cc: hsachs@alumni.rice.edu, Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <75d04b481003210901o2d90e311x84e18a5da951d102@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

10W-40 Havoline. Period correct, or reasonably so. This topic seems destined to go off-topic in any case.

Kurt Sperry Bellingham, Washington USA

On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 8:58 AM, John Wood <braxton72@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Harvey Sachs <hmsachs@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> What are vintagistas having good success with for the real riders, not the
>> wall queens, but ones that are ridden mostly when it's well above freezing?
>> ?Ease of use and relatively clean chain are important. If I wanted calf
>> chain tatoos, I'd get a real one. :-)
>
>
> I use Dumonde Tech - Original in ?winter, Lite in summer. ?Long lasting and
> clean.
>
>
> --
> John Wood
> Open Road Bicycles
> Missoula, Montana, USA
> _______________________________________________
>

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Message: 8 Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 09:03:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dale B. Phelps" <losgatos_dale@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [CR] Need Correct BCD Info 60's/70's Pog To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org, Jeffery Pyzyk <jpyzyk@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <745993.64505.qm@web113601.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Hi Jeff,

I'd say keep the build of your bike as is and ride it! But, to answer your q: it is all accurate for 1968. ? My '68 Pog, sn 9203, it is built up pretty much like yours,? pics are here:

http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/Dale_Phelps/album81/1968_Pogliaghi/

When the weather improves in CO I need to get it out and try to fine-tune those Universal sidepulls, again!. Frankly...I think they suck! This bike rides beautifully but the brakes are shit! Thats the one thing I'd wanna change out on the bike, I was innerested in those no-name Campi brakes for it, but that idea went by the wayside with the fomented bid war. Maybe Mod 61's?

Anyways the dating of your Pog is accurate.Would LOVE to see some fotos of it!

Best regards,

Dale Phelps,
Montagna lunga Colorado USA